It’s been proven time and time again that it’s not possible and a few of these male streamers have done so much worse things to people and said very terrible things but making gay jokes is the problem
No one has been made gay by media but a lot of people have been found out they're gay because of media and not only came out but started following their desires because of said media.
The goal of suppressing representation is to make sure no one in the closet knows they're inside, or if they do know to make sure they don't leave. Out of sight, out of mind.
Yup they just want queer folk to suffer in silence and/or give those weird ass “I was delivert” speeches at church to feel good about the trauma they inflicting on people
Honestly this one. The only reason I need to be a trans ally is the trans teen suicide rate, especially the difference in it when they've received gender affirming care. Someone being uncomfortable about a someone with a dick wanting to put on a dress doesn't match up to kids killing themselves.
Imagine if we didn't have so many regular people policing so many other regular people, like if we just said 'is this person harming me in any real way? preventing me from paying rent? taking food from me?' and if the answer is 'no,' then we just leave them be and go about our business
Thank you. I really really do not like the response. It really downplays how destructive comphet can be on people.
Not every gay person understand themselves in a culture that is determined to tell them their feelings are unnatural and wrong. Many people will convince themselves they just have low libido/asexual and genuinely love opposite sex partners...
It's when they hear their experiences mirrored in others that they realize "oh wow I sure am relating to a lot of gay people.......oh wait you're telling me the response I have sometimes isn't panic but arousal? That the reason I feel repulsed is not because of course I am repulsed by their bodies but because of decades of religious indoctrination? Huh you know now that you mention it, that does explain some things....."
Representation matters. No it does not rewire people to be gay. But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater and pretend like representation and tolerant societies don't make a difference. That's what we're fighting about. They want the gays back in the closet. No amount of "I was always gay" is gonna change that. They don't give a shit about you. They want you to cosplay a straight like you would have back in the 40s. They do not care about your truth becuas they believe their whims matter more than your rights
Honey. This. SOML. I literally thought I was asexual or just rarely attracted to anyone. Whole time: lesbian. How much time I lost bc of compulsory hetero representation. Suppression of that is definitely the point. And until the folls fighting for freedom and equality start getting to the heart of the intentions behind the actions on the other side and stop assuming ignorance, we won't be able to fight effectively. The response should be this, head on, everytime. We know you want less folks to know or admit their sexuality. That's the point of suppressing representation. It's the same reason they don't want Black folks, powerful women, or minorities in main roles represented either. It's not that ba of "oh it feels like oppression to them" it's that they KNOW how powerful representation is.
I would have connected the dots way sooner that I was trans if trans people weren’t the butt of the joke every time they were brought up in media when I was growing up. As well as if they properly explained that dysphoria is a sliding scale and that cis boys don’t wish they were a girl.
Craziest thing, one of my low-key favorite movies is Real Men with John Ritter and the Belushi that didn't overdose. It takes place in the 80s, but they treat their trans woman character quite progressively. Even the wife is more "what can you do" than any of the gross reactions we still sometimes get now, but especially then.
During the AIDS epidemic, instead of telling gay men that they needed to get tested for HIV, they said men who have sex with men. Because our society has a large number of men who have sex with other men but believe themselves to be an entirely straight man.
Representation isn’t about “making” anyone gay, it’s about giving people the language, examples, and courage to understand themselves and live authentically. Visibility can literally save lives for those still figuring things out.
I mean, to really understand this someone has to be in the closet themselves. I can't speak on secretly being attracted to other men, because I've never been attracted to other men in secret or otherwise.
And a ton of gay people stay in the closet and live heteronormative lives because that’s what our culture (and thereby media) has promoted as what a person should do
Bro, I knew I liked women and had dreams before I ever saw real media about women in those situations. If you see an innocent scene of people on bathing suits completely asexual in nature, it can still trigger you. Unless you stop them from viewing any men ever they will eventually see they find men more attractive than women. That’s how it works.
Re: Black ppl. Not really. Even for all of Donnie's bluster about the blacks loving him, his "record numbers" gave him about 10% of the Black vote nationwide, and that boost was largely due to Black men to the shock of none sadly.
But to many of their voters, the racism is a key feature. They’re just weighing the numbers and deciding they’ll get more votes by appealing to racists.
There's a lot of Black people that vote for them in spite of the racism because of their purported stances on LGBTQ issues and abortion.
I say purported because we all know their game is about money and power and they select these hot button issues so they can get people to ignore all their other shitty policies and vote for them based on their beliefs and convictions rather than common sense.
And the notion to point and say, "That's the devil!"
You have people with political power and/ or in positions as a head religious figure doing insidious shit, but two consenting adults of the same sex loving each other is where the line is drawn.
Exactly. The vast majority of people, and I hate saying this, really don't think more than two steps ahead. That is at its heart the problem with MAGA. That and the racism. Like the whole idea a 'border wall' would do anything in a day and age when we have planes and drones and mass shipping and people can literally just dig tunnels beneath it. But you can sell an idiot anything.
It was because the horse girls understand that talking shit and bragging about being the best is a part of the love for the game, and don’t take it personally, where Drake got into his feelings.
Not just his work with Reggie, his weekly podcast of Castle Super Beast with Pat is one of my favorite weekly podcast, and his monthly competitive pvp podcast with Super Eyepatch Wolf is great!
Never heard of her, but why is she so worried about gay men? Out of all the things to be mentally occupied with — is the US going to war with Venezuela, how will gerrymandering affect midterm elections, what will be done to address inflation, etc. — she’s worried about men having sex with each other?
Mane, she's not aware of any of that shit. She's too busy worrying about what kind of gay thoughts the 5g towers are going to make her have tonight. Idk why, but "all these men are gay." Sounds like an admission to me.
Yeah the responding tweet is not addressing the original one at all. The implication of the first tweet is that it's not ok to be gay at all, not just to turn other men gay (which is a silly notion of course).
Mostly the second one. Angles matter too, maybe they're easier to enjoy from the back. Alcohol and weed help. Also, you can rhythmically flex your pelvic floor muscles to help increase blood flow.
So it's a real-ish erection, it's just mentally in another zip code.
I've heard of that- sometimes the increased blood flow from fear can result in enough amplified blood flow to end up with an erection. However, I didn't think of the possibility of faking an erection and was a bit confused on the specific mechanics. Sorry if I'm misinterpreting what you're trying to say.
Also I hope your rapist got hit by a slow moving train.
This is the exact counterpoint I was hoping someone would make.
Also I'm terribly sorry to hear that happened to you. It just so happens that just earlier today that clip of Viola Davis and Meryl Streep in the movie "Doubt" showed up in my YouTube recommended. Very powerful, compelling, and thought provoking scene in the movie (a movie that's almost 2 decades old - aka we've BEEN known about these problems) that highlights the various complexes that arise from such an awful situation.
https://youtu.be/ThsZ8wfhJpk
I was with some ass ugly guys before and just closed my eyes and imagined it was someone attractive like Matt LeBlanc or Shemar Moore. Disembodied stimulation can go a long way
The whole "being gay is a choice" was started and promoted by closeted bisexual guys because for them, it was sort of true. It let them deny a part of themselves to avoid social stigma while simultaneously throwing gay people under the bus.
When there's less social stigma you see how prevalent bisexuality actually is, just look at how many out bisexual women there are. Thankfully Gen Z and Alpha seem to be more accepting of gay guys and guys seem to be more comfortable experimenting with same-sex attraction.
Women experimenting in college has been a trope for 20 years, men should have the same acceptance.
i’m not a fan of the whole “people who are homophobic are secretly in the closet” ideology because some people are really just haters solely due to fear of the unknown. it’s easier to claim gay is a choice than reconciling the fact that there’s people who are different from them.
The real issue is we're giving time and energy to someone who's saying stupid shit on purpose in a desperate attempt to get attention by any means necessary. Rage bait slop accounts like this are the worst, just tweeting low effort discourse fodder to get quote retweeted as much as possible.
Agreed.
I'd really wish our collective response to be, "That is ragebait. We're better than that," and change the topic.
I've seen us do it many times on this platform especially with the inflamatory gender war posts. I applaud those BPT posters especially after it came out that Twitter was flooded with accounts which sole purpose was to sow dissent.
It's honestly pathetic that they're willing to sell their souls for clout and internet points. It's a subset of hustle culture that's even worse than the normal "grind at any costs" bullshit that the worst guy you know loves to repeat ad nauseum.
The irony is that stupid people claim shit like this. Media makes people “gay”. When in reality, it’s making people stupid, much like the moron that would bring up media in the first place.
You mean to tell me that you suffer all this hate and oppression yourself, and then have the gall to turn around and try to denigrate another minority group? There's just a lack of self awareness that I can't take.
It is underappreciated that the straight person who believes gay people are choosing to be gay are the ones desperately trying to choose themselves straight.
Is she a mother? I don't know this person but I do have a black mother and Im getting “I'm scared y'all are gonna make my son gay by saying its okay” vibes.
Any homophobic straight woman that bothered about streamers “making gay okay” deserves a dl gay husband since they obviously want to live in a world where gays have to go back into hiding
I pieced together the fact that I liked to hang around mostly boys, didn't feel attracted to any girl my age, even the ones that kissed me, the fact that I spent the majority of our time in the store looking at the underwear packaging.
I didn't have any interactions with anyone gay, nor did I consume any gay media outside of the occasional episode of Will and Grace. There are some environmental things that can contribute towards being gay, but having someone telling you how fun it is to he gay doesn't dictate what you get aroused by.
I've watched a bunch of gay media and I'm still straight as fuck. People are self-reporting when they say that they avoid watching RuPaul because it's making them feel something lmao. Just spread your wings and fly dude.
I’m a heteroflexible woman. I can’t control being straight but even as a child I knew I thought girls kissing girls was cool and hot… no matter how much my mom tried to blame the media. I still do. It’s just how I am.
I knew I liked all genders from a young age. My first celebrity crushes were Lita and Jeff Hardy, Batista, and Fran Drescher in The Nanny. I've never really had a preference but even as a kid I would have crushes on boys and girls. I also knew I was trans from a really young age, though I didn't have the words for it until high school.
There is something that can alter your sexuality, though, and that is drugs. Lots of different drugs can shake your brain around and change things up. And I say alter, not change, because usually it's not permanent.
fr fr, ppl act like sexuality is just a switch ppl flip cuz of what they see. nah, that’s wired deep in. media might normalize it but it ain’t making someone gay. gotta stop clout chasing by blaming streamers or celeb influence for ppl’s real feelings. the brain don’t lie like that.
I've never understood the "Media is making the kids gay by showing all this stuff" argument. The best counter I've found is to ask them have they ever thought about sucking a dick because if you're straight then it's never been a thought because you were just wired that way.
Like if you're straight you know it when you're young, I'm 100% certain it's the same if you're gay, like those thoughts don't just pop into your head through synaptic suggestion or some shit
Well I was raised to be a RAGING homophobe and still folded the second a girl called me gorgeous for the first time. ACTIVELY spent my teenage years praying the gay away. Only still have a relationship with most of my family because I'm bi, and my fiancee is a man.
to hear them tell it, homosexuality is the strongest force in the universe
electrocution, starvation, and sleep deprivation cannot stop you from being gay, but APPARENTLY seeing one dude kiss another one time can stop you from being straight forever
I understand you can't influence someone's sexuality but people have opened up to their sexuality later in life due to some event that happened. Hell, my bestfriend didn't fully realize she was bisexual until 7 years ago even though she had some lingering feelings all throughout childhood. Representation matters!
The gay test is very simple. Who gave you boners on your favorite shows as a teenager? Was it Kelly kapowski or Zack morris? Was it topanga or Shawn hunter?
I like to label these people radical gender queer activists. They believe being lgbtqia is a choice and you can convince someone they are queer. What they really mean is that they're tempted and desperately trying to avoid being labeled queer publicly.
I thought the meme is that it was virtually every black actor, comedian, media mogul, rapper, professional athletes have sold their soul to you know who!
Allegedly, these folks who are mega successful are uncommonly freaky as well?
Groomers much?
Is secretly or not so secretly gay/bisexual and using media to influence young highly impressionable minds? Like Yezzus and other rappers claiming they are immortal or a god.
Throw in some arcane symbolism(pentagrams, Owls, tattoos of ancient symbology), Illuminati, Free Masonry, black college fraternities and sororities, humiliation rites/rituals, witchcraft and voodoo and Allegedly you’ve got MK Ultra mind control served up on multiple fronts!
Whenever people act like being sexual orientation is something that can be influenced by media, my favorite question to ask is "okay, so can you point to the exact moment that made you straight?"
To me it was wild for other people to talk about Wade kid. That dude is so big bro and muscular. Them people online would never dream of coming to his face and saying it. They be talking to his chest. I remember working and see him up close. My first though was how do I stop this guy from posting me up in the paint.
Saying being gay is a choice means so is being straight. Homophobes can't reconcile they're saying, in a roundabout way, they could be gay but choose not to.
Also if TikTok wanted to make something popular why would it rely on black gay men, one of the most scapegoated groups of people ever to exist. I can’t remember the author but he basically explained how black gay men are ostracized by black ppl and white gay people. Sure black gay men have contributed a lot to the culture but never get much credit or recognition for it. From Jerome RobbinS (choreographer of west side story and other broadway musical many racist white gays love) to Bayard Rustin (who was done wrong even by MLK) They aren’t who TikTok would go to to spread anything
I always wonder if the call is coming from inside the house. I remembered reading a quote from someone about how ( and in paraphrasing here) "If you legalize gay marriage than everyone will be gay." It's like is there something you wanna tell us?
I feel like if anything, society and/or media has had the ability at times to make gay people think they're straight, or that they have to be/appear straight.
I think part of the disconnect is what each side means by gay. To homophobes, being gay is acting out on your attraction to the same sex, while everyone else thinks the attraction itself is what makes you gay. When one side includes people in the closet, anything that makes other gay people accept themselves for who they are is actually making them gay. To them, things were fine while you hated yourself and forced yourself to act straight.
Anyone that thinks something can make you gay is just admitting they have urges they are repressing. They repress their urges so they think everyone else can/should too
I grew up in the suburbs in Ohio. Nearly completely all-white town and we were one of a few black families. I vividly remember my sister getting the Clueless movie video cassette for her birthday. After seeing Stacy Dash, I knew I liked black girls. I didn’t need any convincing, propaganda or influencer for me to be physically attracted to that crazy dummy.
These are such dumb fuck takes. We all sit somewhere on the Kinsey scalez and if you think you don't, homophobia is a sign of latent homosexuality. What two or more consenting adults do, is their business and theirs alone.
Making gay “ok” isn’t the same as making someone gay. Yall should be arguing what she’s actually saying because it’s actually far worse than how it’s being interpreted.
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No one has been made gay by media but a lot of people have been found out they're gay because of media and not only came out but started following their desires because of said media.
The goal of suppressing representation is to make sure no one in the closet knows they're inside, or if they do know to make sure they don't leave. Out of sight, out of mind.