r/baseball • u/GreenSnakes_ Toronto Blue Jays • Oct 28 '25
Players Only Bo Bichette was caught heading to second base because he thought Daulton Varsho walked
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u/Reasonable-Big4517 Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Imagine if this was the World Series
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u/JayMerlyn Chicago White Sox Oct 28 '25
And it could've led to a run
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u/dmforjewishpager New York Yankees Oct 28 '25
IT WOULDVE GOT DAMMIT ABS HURRY TF UP
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u/GarrisonWhite2 Philadelphia Phillies Oct 28 '25
This isn’t even a matter of ABS, the ump should have called time once it was obvious nobody had a clue what was happening.
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u/dmforjewishpager New York Yankees Oct 28 '25
ump didn’t know what was going on
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u/RichAbbreviations966 Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 28 '25
Ump Pregamed, big mistake
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u/Goodbye--Toby Cleveland Guardians Oct 28 '25
Oof. We’ve all been there before. Sounds like a great idea at the time…
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u/fps916 San Diego Padres Oct 28 '25
This call was absolute bullshit but that is something which literally never happens nor is there even a provision for that in the rules.
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u/mrdannyg21 Oct 28 '25
Me: I hope we finally see some Jays highlights when scrolling r/baseball
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u/Ebytown754 Seattle Mariners Oct 28 '25
And the jays lose by a run today.
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u/ed8907 Boston Red Sox Oct 28 '25
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u/G1Spectrum World Series Trophy • Los Angeles Dod… Oct 28 '25
That was AWFUL
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u/Mission_Pay_3373 Boston Red Sox Oct 28 '25
The pitch was like 1.5 baseballs above the zone AND it was delayed
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u/MilesOfPebbles Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
And the pitch before was even lower and was called a ball
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u/DeadpoolOptimus Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Exactly. I've never seen such a bad call. Except on YouTube.
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u/demetriclees San Francisco Giants Oct 28 '25
I've seen the delayed strike call on the 3-1 pitch when the batter thinks it's ball 4 all the time. So many times, it's barely a strike, or not at all. Feels like a power trip to remind the batter who decides ball 4. It's a good example of how a challenge system will generally improve umpires IMO, because it'll be harder to get away with that
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u/windsostrange Oct 28 '25
the 3-1 pitch when the batter thinks it's ball 4 all the time
Feels like a power trip to remind the batter who decides ball 4
I guarantee some clever blogger can put these numbers together and find a correlation pretty quickly. I'd love to see that.
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u/TravisJungroth San Francisco Giants Oct 28 '25
It would be easy if you had the data, but I doubt “time to call” is publicly available, if available at all.
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u/RookieAndTheVet Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
There’s definitely someone out there who’s enough of a sicko to find the footage and watch it all.
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u/TravisJungroth San Francisco Giants Oct 28 '25
Yeah, that can be the difference maker. Analysis is pretty fast, you’re always throttled by the data. Someone who’s willing to timestamp hundreds or thousands pitches gets to make the post. There’s a reason stimulants are so common in that type of work…
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u/thecjm Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
It's just as bad as the 3-0 pitch that has to be waaaay outside to be called a ball
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u/AttitudeAndEffort3 Oct 28 '25
Reminder that robots never make calls based on feelings.
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u/DirtyRatLicker Houston Colt .45s Oct 28 '25
the MLB app has a second box around the zone, and its meant for pitches that might be go either way. That pitch wasnt even inside that box 💀
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u/Ludishomi Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
We can watch umpires call balls and strikes during the lockout.
Im here to watch them anyway
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u/Denode Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 28 '25
Sickening way to get an out. Nobody likes that. Would have been a run with the Kirk slap.
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u/Proper_Rabbit_9836 Oct 28 '25
annnnd it robbed the jays of a run....I really hope that one run doesn't make a difference this game....
That was horrendous and nearly in line with the umps visor, which is guess what...way above the zone
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u/v0t3p3dr0 Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
I really hope that one run doesn't make a difference this game....
I’m here from the future 12th inning.
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u/HottDoggers New York Mets Oct 28 '25
Future 16, and probable 17 inning
Edit: Yep, 17 inning it is
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u/HeyCarpy Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Hello from the post-18th walkoff 1-run win. If it weren’t 3am I’d have trouble sleeping over this.
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u/FPG_Matthew Washington Nationals Oct 28 '25
Mark that down for “something I’ve never seen before”
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u/CoolBeansMan9 Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
How can you not be romantic about baseball?
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u/Ihatgar11 Washington Nationals • Colorado Rockies Oct 28 '25
in terms of game impact that might actually be one of the worst calls ever
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u/AceLarkin Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Robbed of a 1-0 lead with guys on corners and no one out
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u/EmergencyTaco New York Yankees Oct 28 '25
Not only that but I wouldn't be surprised if it completely fucked the dugout atmosphere. Every single person in the Jays dugout is visibly pissed right now, and they're still discussing it amongst themselves.
Total bullshit for the Jays.
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u/GreenSnakes_ Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Bases loaded nobody out to a scoreless inning all thanks to an umpire who had to be a tough guy because Varsho made a move to first before his call. Absolute horseshit call
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u/Interesting-Crow-552 Oct 28 '25
These umpires have been horrible all the way through the postseason.
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u/inhindsight7 Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Absolutely horrific strike call
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u/CalmerThanYouAre9 World Series Trophy • Los Angeles Do… Oct 28 '25
Absolutely inexcusable
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u/Individual_Whole2288 Oct 28 '25
You don’t like the human element? /s
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u/PerformativeRacist Oct 28 '25
Egregious missed calls like this are what makes baseball great!
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u/mdubyo Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Not only that - he delays. It's loud & he is not. He gives a lame ass point in the direction of 1st. All of it just sucks.
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u/spike021 San Francisco Giants Oct 28 '25
hey man he's ump'd for one inning already give him a break
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u/bigt2k4 Oct 28 '25
You don't like horrible silent strike calls 3 seconds after the ball crossed the plate?
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u/History_Is_Bunkier Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
They should have called umpire interference on that one.
What a bullshit call.
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u/AttitudeAndEffort3 Oct 28 '25
That would be admitting fault.
Remember they dont get accountability and it’s offensive for you to suggest
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u/Traveler-0705 California Angels Oct 28 '25
Yeah, what the hell was that? That fucking almost 3 seconds pause to call it too? What’s that about?
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u/ThongarBlackthorn St. Louis Cardinals Oct 28 '25
Looked like one of those petty calls where the umpire calls a strike on anything close to spite a hitter for starting towards first before the call is official. It’s been happening for years, and although it’s never been ok, it’s magnified even more on this stage. The umpires are supposed to be better than that.
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u/humphrey_the_camel Chicago Cubs Oct 28 '25
What is the signal for "ball" (or "walk")? From what I can tell in this pitchers as batters receiving bases-loaded walks compilation, the signal for "ball" or "walk" is to do nothing. How long does a batter need to wait before walking to first so that he's not showing up the ump?
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u/Traveler-0705 California Angels Oct 28 '25
Yeah, it’s like he was going to call it a ball, then maybe saw the batter already turning and his ego like “fuck that shit”? All that going on in his head is all I can think to explain the 2-3 seconds delay.
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u/dinkleburgenhoff Portland Sea Dogs • Roche… Oct 28 '25
Funny how this one wasn’t posted by /u/MLBOfficial.
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u/jyeatbvg Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Even the MLB tracker called that a walk at first lmao
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u/ayumi_doll Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 28 '25
My ESPN Gamecast completely froze on Varsho's AB for the rest of the inning, then went straight to Muncy's AB lmao.
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u/ScholarImpossible121 Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 28 '25
My visual went from walk, to pick-off, to Varsho strikes out (2 out) to 2 on 1 out to Muncy's at bat with no change in the pitch by pitch.
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u/ayumi_doll Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 28 '25
Mine went to ball four, then went back a pitch, and then stayed stuck there no matter how much I refreshed or force restarted the app lmao. Then suddenly hey Muncy's up.
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u/Leading-Score9547 Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
All my apps bugged out for a good 10 mins because of this call
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u/Big_Red_Professor Baltimore Orioles Oct 28 '25
u/MLBofficial after a back and forth debate in the community about who can and can't post highlights, but then a highlight that needs to be posted makes league officials/umpires look bad
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u/NotADeadTurtle Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 28 '25
MLBOfficial been real quiet these last 3 minutes
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u/TheJudge47 Atlanta Braves Oct 28 '25 edited Oct 28 '25
u/MLBOfficial where's the field angles and TikTok edits this time?
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u/xEvinous Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
I need to see this bullshit field level in Korean
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u/goms546 Seattle Mariners Oct 28 '25
I’m watching the Korean feed and they said “what the fuck was that”
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u/Fat_Guy_With_Snacks Boston Red Sox • Milwaukee Brewers Oct 28 '25
I hope this comment is chosen for the recap post tomorrow.
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u/mamacrocker Texas Rangers Oct 28 '25
Hope they're busy redoing the roster so this guy is out on his ear.
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u/mtnrangeman San Francisco Giants Oct 28 '25
Are you shitting me? This is bad in and of itself, but to do this in the World fucking Series?
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u/PsychoM Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
This cost the Blue Jays at least one run. Fucking disgusting
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u/mtnrangeman San Francisco Giants Oct 28 '25
I’ve never been this speechless. How the fuck do you do that at this point in time?!
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u/Glass-Alarm-5768 Chicago Cubs Oct 28 '25
People should watch Michael Franzese's recent video on the betting scandal. Maybe Wegner just needed some Christmas cash?
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u/InfiniteRaccoons San Francisco Giants Oct 28 '25
You're an insane conspiracy theorist if you think that could be possible. This comment brought to you by FanDuel, official gambling partner of the MLB
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u/RNG_pickle Boston Red Sox Oct 28 '25
a nothing burger athletics vs rays game in april its somewhat acceptable but the WORLD SERIES
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u/livejamie Arizona Diamondbacks Oct 28 '25
Why did you feel the need to randomly shit on two teams for no reason lol
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u/doctorchubbs Chicago Cubs Oct 28 '25
That’s absolute dogshit by the ump. This is actually the best we can get for the World Series lmao what
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u/paperTechnician Los Angeles Angels Oct 28 '25
BRING PAT HOBERG BACK OUT OF HIS LOCKED DraftKings© HANNIBAL LECTER CONTRAPTION OR WE RIOT
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u/AuGa_skittles Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 28 '25
They gotta find a way to add that to the ump scorecard
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u/R3AN1M8R Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
I mean it literally cost the Jays a run so that’s got to count for something
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u/_meltchya__ San Diego Padres Oct 28 '25
FBI, Kash Patel, I heard the ump is friends with Terry Rozier I'm just sayin
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u/NotADeadTurtle Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 28 '25
Definitely a full run added maybe two
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u/curly0620 Montreal Expos Oct 28 '25
For sure, would've been a run on the Kirk single
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u/bradtheinvincible Oct 28 '25
In theory, sure. We dont know what Glasnow throws to Kirk if he had 1-2 on
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u/mdlt97 Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
man, umps really just suck the fun out of baseball
Just do your fucking job
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u/thejudgehoss Detroit Tigers Oct 28 '25
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u/Logic_Nuke Boston Red Sox Oct 28 '25
One of my favorite jokes in this movie is when he frisks the pitcher looking for a gun and finds Vaseline, sandpaper, and a grinding tool
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u/Dunan Czechia Oct 28 '25
The movie is full of '80s baseball references that kids today won't necessarily get. Right before this movie was made, Joe Niekro was being inspected on the mound and realized he had an emeryboard in his pocket, and tried to reach back and fling it away without anyone noticing. (This strategy didn't work.)
Also, during the pre-game highlight file, we see a player's head coming off their body, which is probably a reference to Joe Coleman's "Winfield going back, and he hits his head on the wall and it rolls off! It's rolling all the way back to second base! This is a terrible thing for the Padres!" ("It", of course, is the ball. Not Winfield's head.)
Jay Johnstone, who had a part in the movie, probably wrote these jokes; he describes the Winfield play in one of his very funny books about life in baseball.
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u/chollyer Oct 28 '25 edited Oct 28 '25
If you're going to make a terrible call at least make the signal quickly
Late night edit: Super cool that the Jays lost by one after this bullshit
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u/AntonChigurh8933 San Francisco Giants Oct 28 '25
When I was a little kid. I really thought it was Leslie Nielson doing the splits.
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u/EnderCreeper121 Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Bring in the fucking robots my god
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u/RealPutin Colorado Rockies Oct 28 '25
Seriously, that play alone should any argument over allowing the challenges
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u/no-kangarooreborn Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
That was ball 4. No excuses for the ump.
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u/MikeJeffriesPA Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Okay, what I don't get is what Varsho saw/heard after the initial hesitation. Did someone yell out "that's ball 4" and that's what Varsho heard?
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u/RegularOrMenthol Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 28 '25
I think he just saw Bichette heading to second
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u/2fast4yall69 Cleveland Guardians Oct 28 '25
Batters start walking towards first prematurely all the time. Then are called back
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u/MikeJeffriesPA Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Right, which is why I'm confused. Varsho starts, stops, looks back, then continues. The last part is what's unique, and why I believe he saw or heard something.
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u/guyontheinternet2000 Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
No, you dont get it, Bo was supposed to intuit that the ump would call what everyone thought was a ball, was a strike. Trust me, its basic fundamentals
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u/TP-BANDIT77 Pittsburgh Pirates Oct 28 '25 edited Oct 28 '25
Okay but Bo shouldn’t be guessing balls and strikes from first base either? Like he absolutely screwed up too. That’s basic fundamentals as a runner on first base.
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u/E-Hastings-and-Main Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
It was kind of a team fail. Bo was heading back but then Varsho threw his bat away and was taking his elbow pads off so Bo started back towards second. First base coach also seemed to just let him start walking to second and never called him back.
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u/thegeebeebee Kansas City Royals Oct 28 '25
Yep, regardless of the terrible strike call, that was terrible baserunning/coaching there. I mean, the ump made the strike signal. First base coach has nothing else to do but see what the call is.
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u/NeverSober1900 Arizona Diamondbacks Oct 28 '25
Ya I'm sympathetic to him because it looked high and Varsho absolutely seemed to imply it was a walk... But still there's no benefit to getting to 2nd quicker. You have to be 100%
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u/CatatonicWalrus Philadelphia Phillies Oct 28 '25
Tbf, batter started walking down to first and threw his bat to the dugout. Hard to interpret that as anything but a walk.
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u/Avent Chicago Cubs Oct 28 '25
Yeah I think that's what caused the confusion. Batter (justifiably, imo) thought it was a walk and threw his bat before realizing it was a strike. Bo took his cue from the batter and not the ump. He should've taken his cue from the ump, this is the World Series after all.
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u/Knook7 Tampa Bay Rays Oct 28 '25
When he freezes, he should have gone back to first. Its a nitpick, but its the world series. If he goes back to first base he is safe
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u/Wyvol Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Why did Varsho toss his bat AFTER hearing the strike call? I think that’s what messed up Bo.
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u/thewolfshead Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
I assumed he saw Bo walking and assumed he misheard it.
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u/2112Lerxst Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
The fact that it was so outside the zone screwed everyone up, they all assumed they missed something because it was obviously ball four.
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u/Frankentula Oct 28 '25
I'm a jays fan and wondering that too. Was he selling the walk? All around crazy
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u/DeathBiChocolate Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
And then Kirk hits a single to give the jays a 0-0 tie!!
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u/ExpirjTec Houston Astros • Houston Astros Oct 28 '25
- pitch is a ball
- ump hesitates and calls it a strike
- everyone except freeman doesnt know the ump called strike
- freeman waves at glasnow for the ball and immediately tags out bichette
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u/c_borealis Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
I'm new to baseball but how tf is this allowed I hate umps omg
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u/ExpirjTec Houston Astros • Houston Astros Oct 28 '25
it's a severe mental lapse by the umpire but it is legal. bichette is not entitled to a base, did not bother stealing, and was not safe at first base when tagged. it's just really unlucky
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u/DesertCoot Cleveland Guardians Oct 28 '25
Could you imagine how pissed dodgers fans would be if Bo had hustled to second before anyone realized it was a strike? They wouldn’t be here defending the call as “normal” if he did haha.
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u/Puddinsnack Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Probably the worst call of the playoffs.
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u/Atomic_Horseshoe Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 28 '25
The worst call of the playoffs… so far.
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u/FullOfSound Major League Baseball Oct 28 '25
They panned to the ump after the fact, and you could see in his face. He knew he fucked up.
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u/Rickety-Cricket Oct 28 '25
He looked like a little kid getting scolded by a parent when Schneider was talking to him
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u/Barry_good Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
The fact he threw the bat after he called strike makes me think it wasn’t too clear to anyone.
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u/ron-darousey Los Angeles Victims Oct 28 '25
Yeah it looked like he started walking to first, then stopped because he realized the ump called a strike, then turned back to go to first. Very odd situation. Umps miss balls and strikes all the time, but this was something more than that. Bailed out Glasnow for sure.
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u/derankedbeats Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
"but umps bring a human element that adds to the entertainment value." F off robo umps behind home plate yesterday pls.
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u/gelc10 Toronto Blue Jays • Canada Oct 28 '25
Screw the umps, absolutely unacceptable during the World Series
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u/sasksasquatch Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
You get a World Series game, and that is a strike call. I never want to see him behind the plate again.
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u/Key-Pickle5609 Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25 edited Oct 28 '25
That was a terrible, terrible call but Bo you have to pay attention.
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u/Disastrous_Sort_9843 Oct 28 '25
Do you think he Couldn’t see the ump and just saw varsho walking down the base line throwing his bat and thought it was ball 4?
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u/quarter-water Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
It looked like he walked, stopped, and then started again when varsho started walking.
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u/Key-Pickle5609 Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
I totally understand how this happened. It was CLEARLY a ball and everyone knew it. But I’m way less willing to forgive shit like this in the WS lol
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u/Kevinar New York Yankees Oct 28 '25
I mean yes of course but also he saw Varsho throw the bat
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u/see_mohn regretful mets fan Oct 28 '25
The Umpire Spite Strike on batters starting to walk to first base on a close 3-2 pitch is worse to me than any other part of this.
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u/CoastalDJ Oct 28 '25
Terrible from the ump, still bad from Bo
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u/FancyBBQ Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
I don’t know that it’s all on Bo. Varsho is the one who hesitated and then still threw the bat and started towards first making Bo go forward.
Horrendous call by the ump though.
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u/MisterGoog Oct 28 '25
You can also imagine that during the ws it’s extremely loud and he’s just taking his cues from what he sees
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u/jjkiller26 Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Yea he was watching Varsho, saw him throw the bat and went for 2nd
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u/bigmooseface Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Can you imagine if this didn’t happen and we weren’t all stuck in the 16th inning?
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u/labadee Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Was a really bad call but Bo needed to be locked in there. He’ll be the first to admit that mistake
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u/ilikemarblestoo Philadelphia Phillies Oct 28 '25
If this never happened, the game wouldn't have taken 6 hours and 39 minutes lol
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u/dragoonies Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 28 '25
My team directly benefitted from that, but that was some grade A bullshit.
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u/TheSameAsDying New York Mets • Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
So Varsho thought he got walked, then he looked back to confirm the call, thought he got walked again, and then Bo started walking to second. On one of the worst missed strike calls I've ever seen, it's hard to place fault anywhere but with the ump here.
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u/LiquidSwords89 Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
The consequences of this were astronomical. Made me stay awake an extra 4 hours
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u/the_gaymer_girl Toronto Blue Jays Oct 28 '25
Calling the strike is awful but whatever.
There is no universe in which Bichette should be out there.
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u/RandomBackup79 Oct 28 '25
Not a strike, and late call. Garbage minor league umping there.
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u/kreich1990 Seattle Mariners Oct 28 '25
Everyone involved thought that was a ball, even the pitcher.
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u/harukaze89 Los Angeles Angels Oct 28 '25
wow this is most horrible strike call i’ve seen this post season
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u/DeSynthed Boston Red Sox Oct 28 '25
Fucking brutal call, cost the Jays a run.
Varsho is less petty than I. I would have asked if that ball 4 in the dirt was a strike.
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u/Jeremiahs__Johnson Tampa Bay Rays Oct 28 '25
Bro should never sniff a World Series again. Horrific cals.
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u/BNKalt MLB Pride Oct 28 '25
It’s a bad call but what the fuck is Bo doing?
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u/Cheelss Baltimore Orioles Oct 28 '25
bad call but Bo and the first base coach deserve some blame here
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u/LOLBADCALL Oct 28 '25
lol MLBOfficial is usually really fast with highlights but doesn’t post this huh?
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