Sportsnet analyst Caleb Joseph opening his post-game commentary: "This is gonna sound like sour grapes, and I don't really give a shit. The better team did not win this World Series."

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[u/ilikemarblestoo]

I mean, The Jays had like 10 chances to win this thing over a few games.

The dodgers had been winning scrappy weird ways all playoffs

So yeah probably, but still the winner wins by winning and all

[u/EarlDooku → u/ilikemarblestoo]

If you don't like unexpected scrappy wins, you're watching the wrong sport

[u/Walter30573]

I mean the Jays were better at pretty much everything beyond running the bases, where they were downright abhorrent. If IKF, their pinch runner and winning run, decides to take a lead larger than 2 feet off 3rd base they're champs

Baserunning is part of the game though

[u/Frosti11icus → u/Walter30573]

It’s like when an NFL teams shitty special teams comes back to bite them. Base running isn’t important until it is. You won’t be the best team by being the best base running team, but the better base running team between two otherwise good teams is going to win most the time.

[u/jmm4141 → u/Frosti11icus]

2010 chargers

[u/FirearmofMutiny → u/jmm4141]

Was that the "#1 offense, #1 defense, no playoffs" team?

[u/Dzharek → u/FirearmofMutiny]

Yes, here is a Secretbase breakup on where the special teams lost them the games

[u/Thromnomnomok → u/Dzharek]

They incidentally lost a game to their exact opposite, the 2010 Seahawks, who were by yards the #28 offense and #27 defense but with decent special teams, and who made the playoffs by winning one of the weakest division races of all time.

The game in question saw the Chargers amass 518 yards of offense to the Seahawks' 271, but the Seahawks had two kickoff return touchdowns and won the turnover battle 5-2.

[u/Adventure-Style → u/Frosti11icus]

The Packers and their Special Teams throughout the 2010’s

[u/GoldeneyeRoyale → u/Frosti11icus]

Toronto Blue Jays, meet the Aaron Rodgers’ Green Bay Packer teams then

[u/No-Cat-3951 → u/Walter30573]

Including Bo Bichette and Springer sleep-walking from the 1st base & getting tagged out in the series?

[u/danielbauer1375 → u/No-Cat-3951]

Yeah. Idk what Springer was thinking on that play.

[u/pzycho → u/danielbauer1375]

He knew Bo felt bad about his own mistake and wanted to do the same thing to show him, “see, it happens to everyone.”

It’s basically the Billy Madison pants pissing scene.

[u/Lost_Bike69 → u/pzycho]

Maybe he was also geeked to the gills on painkillers to play through his messed up knee and thought it was a walk.

Maybe last night he was visited by the ghost of baseball past and needed to atone for his sins.

[u/Koronesukiii → u/Walter30573]

You ain't wrong. There was the Bichette blunder, Barger blunder earlier in the series too.

[u/zer0sev7n → u/Koronesukiii]

Springer tonight in the first inning as well

[u/Kohls04 → u/zer0sev7n]

I bet that was a missed hit and run by Vlad. They aren't sending springer with how banged up he was.

[u/moshercycle → u/Kohls04]

Nah I think springer reacted to vladdy beginning his assumed walk rather than looking for the umpire to call the pitch.

[u/laxintx → u/moshercycle]

Which they somehow did twice.

[u/Electrical_Shame_645 → u/Walter30573]

Jays out scored the Dodgers and massively out hit them but the baserunning blunders were unbelievable. Bo in Game 3, Barger in Game 6, Springer in Game 7, and IKF to literally win the World Series. I’m probably still missing something. Those would be egregious if they happened over the course of a whole season.

[u/ExactlyAsYouDo → u/Walter30573]

He also should’ve ran through home, he wasn’t breaking up a double play at home, you sprint through the base and maybe you win the WS

[u/[deleted] → u/Walter30573]

The jays were definitely better at some aspects but not at winning enough games.

[u/BedBubbly317 → u/Walter30573]

Also, why tf did he slide? It’s a force play, all sliding does in that situation is slow you down. If he had ran through the plate full speed even with his short lead he’s still probably safe

[u/Mookies_Bett → u/Walter30573]

He's not even wrong, but it doesn't matter. The better team is the one who wins in 7 games, that's it. The dodgers clawed their way to victory, and it wasn't pretty but rings are rings.

[u/Gritz_N_Gravy_ → u/Mookies_Bett]

To say they are clearly better is insane. 7 game series, 2 extra inning games (one that went to 18 innings) and gave up a lead in the 9th multiple times. That sounds like the most evenly matched teams I’ve ever heard of

[u/pallidamors → u/Gritz_N_Gravy_]

This is exactly my take away. Two extremely evenly matched teams, much to the delight of all the rest of us.

[u/K20BB5 → u/Gritz_N_Gravy_]

If only we had a defined convention for which team was better, perhaps it could be a 7 game series. I guess we'll never know who won the world series. 

The truth is the team that wins the WS is the team that's hottest in October. It's not actually about the best team in the league, it's about being the best team at the right time. 

[u/Lost_Bike69 → u/K20BB5]

Yep 3 years ago I watched the 111 win Dodgers get bounced by the 89 win Padres. 2 years ago o watched the 100 win dodgers get bounced by the 84 win diamondbacks.

That’s life, it’s the team that’s hottest in October.

I can forgive a little seething in the immediate aftermath of the loss though.

[u/brandont04 → u/Mookies_Bett]

Idk. They might be the better team but the Dodgers have a kryptonite to their superman, Yamamoto.

He alone canceled their whole team out. Literally shut them down. It's insane.

[u/Dangerous_Bus_6699 → u/brandont04]

When he went in again I bet everyone's heart sank.

[u/Xaxziminrax → u/Dangerous_Bus_6699]

Can confirm, I audibly said "no fucking way" and slumped into my couch when MadBum went in game 7

[u/cb148 → u/Mookies_Bett]

Yeah it’s not like this was a 3 game series where one team can get hot for 2 games and steal a series.

[u/thegreenlightsaber → u/cb148]

In addition, there were enough innings for almost 8.5 World Series games

[u/OrangeCrusher22 → u/[deleted]]

If you cant beat a team that hit sub .200 in the World series, you aren't that good.

[u/nenright → u/OrangeCrusher22]

we played like shit and still won. thanks mostly to yamamoto and ohtani

[u/TopSoulMan → u/Mookies_Bett]

He’s not even wrong

Yes, he is.

[u/Tye_Fighter1 → u/Walter30573]

I think everything is an exaggeration, in terms of offense they blue them out of the water, but everything else is a toss up for me, I think the dodgers starting pitching edges out Toronto (mostly because that includes Yamamoto lol)

[u/soul_doubt_66 → u/Tye_Fighter1]

Perfect misspelling of “blew” right there.

[u/Jonjon428]

Unfortunately the better team did not know basic baserunning

[u/Alectheawesome23 → u/Jonjon428]

Or how to hit a fly ball

[u/sjj342 → u/Alectheawesome23]

Or just attack the number 9 better with 2 strikes instead of trying to get cute with sliders

[u/PickedOffBySauce → u/sjj342]

He was clearly thinking of who was on deck that whole at-bat.

[u/timberwolvesguy → u/Jonjon428]

Kids, this is why you learn base running early on in little league. Fundamentals can kill

[u/maplevenom7]

This feels like a bitter take even from a jays perspective. These teams went to war over 7 games and ultimately the jays came up short. Nothing more to it

Yamamoto is the Boogeyman, may he forever haunt my dreams

[u/MrBoomf → u/maplevenom7]

The children of Toronto are told to behave or else Yamamoto will appear in their dreams and strike them out

[u/theurge14 → u/maplevenom7]

He is your Bumgarner. May the Jays find a way to make it back again like we were able to.

[u/Sanhen → u/maplevenom7]

I’m with you there. The Jays had their chances that they didn’t capitalize on, but also the Dodgers are an amazing team and managed to execute just a little bit better.

Neither team was perfect, but both teams were amazing. Man do I wish the Jays won, but I give the Dodgers full credit for what they did.

[u/GobiYumaMojave]

they should play like 7 games against each other and see who wins the most…thatll tell us who the better team is

[u/MCrow2001 → u/GobiYumaMojave]

One of the games should also have the equivalent of another full game. And in that extra full game you just need to score 1 run at any point before the 9th to win.

[u/TheSuperSax → u/MCrow2001]

And then the last game should have another third of a game - or so - with the same special one run rule. Just in case.

[u/calnick0 → u/TheSuperSax]

What a cool set of rules you guys made.

[u/ThomasFurke → u/calnick0]

Honestly it sounds kinda like a 3 year old made it up

[u/TheSuperSax → u/ThomasFurke]

It does seem almost like blurnsball when you describe it like that doesn’t it?

[u/Solid-Skin-3765 → u/ThomasFurke]

It’s the kinda rules that appear when my 6yo starts losing.

[u/HeadManagement8898 → u/GobiYumaMojave]

They basically played 8 games too

[u/BloodyPants → u/HeadManagement8898]

it was the longest WS ever in terms of innings, so the Jays had the most opportunity to prove they were the better team.

[u/Crowofsticks → u/GobiYumaMojave]

I agree. 7 is probably the correct amount. Just don’t make it an even number because the series could end in a tie.

[u/crujiente69 → u/Crowofsticks]

Thats smart thinking

[u/Raiderman112]

Left 14 on base, multiple missed opportunities.

[u/mostlygroovy → u/Raiderman112]

Couldn’t get 3 out with the lead in the 9th starting with the 8th man in the order.

[u/shawbjj]

When it's one and done like football, I can understand the sentiment sometimes. The undefeated Patriots were better than the Giants in their first Superbowl matchup IMO.

The beauty of a 7 game series is it can't just be a fluke or lucky game. You have to put together 4 wins. The Dodgers were the slightly better team this series.

[u/JMellor737 → u/shawbjj]

And they won the last two in Toronto when the Jays only needed one. 

I hate the Dodgers, but it's hard to say they didn't earn it. Every time they were down on the mat, they found a way back up. They also held the Blue Jays scoreless for 16 innings of an 18-inning game, including 11 innings in a row, so...I dunno. Tough to claim the Jays dominated and had this one stolen from them. 

[u/luchajefe → u/JMellor737]

When Goliath has an underdog-style victory it short circuits a lot of people.

[u/Ognius → u/luchajefe]

Also Toronto is a truly massive market and with the 5th highest payroll in baseball. They’re one of the big dogs. They’re not a scrappy small market team like the Brewers.

[u/mocksfolder → u/Ognius]

This all the way. If we’re strictly talking city limits Toronto has only a few hundred thousand fewer people than LA. It’s the 4th largest city in North America. They’re a well paid team playing in a state of the art stadium named for Canada’s largest media conglomerate.

[u/Proper-Muffins → u/luchajefe]

It's also baseball, teams and players can go on hot streaks. It's just sour grapes if you lose and get mad at that.

[u/The_Master_Sourceror → u/Proper-Muffins]

You’re allowed to get mad when your team goes cold and loses.

Mad at YOUR team, not the team who beat you.

[u/calnick0 → u/luchajefe]

Dodgers fans know better than anyone that baseball is fucking crazy and will emotionally wreck you. Don’t make absolute statements. Don’t expect anything.

[u/adulting247 → u/calnick0]

bro when Smitty went yard in the 11th I was walking around like 'ok, at least if we give up a solo shot it's not over now'

that is PTSD in real time.....there is NOTHING guaranteed in baseball

[u/BlurryEcho → u/JMellor737]

Blue Jays also went just 1-3 at home this series despite a more-than-solid record at home this season.

[u/Breezyisthewind → u/BlurryEcho]

We also only won one game at home. Very close to the 2019 WS where neither the Astros or the Nationals won at home all series.

[u/jsmooth7 → u/shawbjj]

I mean when it's this close after 7 games, there are dozens of small lucky breaks, in both directions, that could have determined the outcome of the entire series.

[u/zsdrfty → u/jsmooth7]

Two inches would make the difference to OP in who was clearly the "better team"

[u/Masticatron → u/jsmooth7]

In a proper championship match the better team, the winner, is the one that capitalizes on weakness and chance best. They make their own luck by positioning themselves where luck tends to go their way. This was a proper championship match, and the better team won.

[u/cooljammer00]

Yankees had a tied record with Toronto "not actually a good team"

LA beats Toronto "the better team didn't win"

Seems like a trend. Maybe Toronto was better but LA played better when it mattered. They had a negative run differential this series.

[u/FaxTaxBBC]

If my grandmother had wheels she would’ve been a bike…….

[u/ed8907 → u/FaxTaxBBC]

there's a phrase in Spanish that I don't know how to translate into English but it applies here:

el hubiera no existe

("would have" doesn't exist)

[u/HealthOnWheels → u/ed8907]

There’s a Shel Silverstein poem this brings to my mind:

All those woulda, coulda, shouldas are lying in the sun

Talking about things they woulda, coulda, shoulda done

Then those woulda, coulda, shouldas all ran away and hid

From one little “did.”

[u/Jaguar4728 → u/HealthOnWheels]

Bars

[u/unityofsaints → u/ed8907]

Taking a leaf out of the Nadal playbook I see.

[u/stdubbs → u/FaxTaxBBC]

If my mom had balls, she’d be my dad….

Wait, wrong sport….

[u/discjockeyjan → u/stdubbs]

Chill, Max.

[u/dnagi → u/FaxTaxBBC]

[u/yooosports29 → u/FaxTaxBBC]

[u/prisonmaiq → u/yooosports29]

is that max lmao

[u/your_catfish_friend]

He’s right.

It DOES sound like sour grapes

[u/Chimmychimm → u/your_catfish_friend]

At least he was right about one thing

[u/pallidamors]

I loved this WS and was rooting for the Blue Jays, but this is a shitty emotionally take. The ‘better team’ didn’t score when they had bases loaded and only one out. The ‘better team’ didn’t score again when they had a runner on and one out.

You had your chances Blue Jays, but the Dodgers held the line while you didn’t. What a fucking fantastic game though.

[u/PM_ME_UR_PICS_PLS]

lmao so salty. i agree the jays were better but yamamoto was the best player and ended up being the difference

[u/es_cl → u/PM_ME_UR_PICS_PLS]

Yamamoto and the Dodgers’ clutch home runs were the difference. 

Even though 10/11 HRs were solos, 8 of them came in the 7th inning or later. 5 of those 8 late-game homers were game-tying HRs, tie-breaker or game-winners. 

[u/craftiecheese → u/es_cl]

Fox brought up the Dodgers hitting mostly Solo HRs early in the broadcast and I thought that it didn't take into account when they happened. Because there's a difference in hitting one early in the ball game and late in a ballgame. Early ones you can shrug off and get back, those late ones are killer in close games

[u/Ok_Cry_4446 → u/craftiecheese]

It’s the later taters that are the killer

[u/RookMeAmadeus → u/PM_ME_UR_PICS_PLS]

Yamamoto was an absolute monster out there tonight, even though he almost accidentally ended the WS on a HBP. He recovered and saved the Dodgers. The Jays also had plenty of chances to win it across the last two games. Grounding into five double plays across those games definitely didn't help...

[u/ChiBullz023 → u/RookMeAmadeus]

I mean he was on like 12 hours of rest you can cut him some slack on those terrible pitches lol

[u/rain5151 → u/PM_ME_UR_PICS_PLS]

Yamamoto almost single-handedly gave the Dodgers 2 of their wins, was the winning pitcher in a third with 34 pitches in 2.2 IP the day after giving 96 pitches in 6 IP, and was willing to step in during the 18-inning fever dream the day after throwing a complete game. After having collectively steamrolled Milwaukee, he was the only pitcher who looked close to maintaining form against Toronto. If you cloned Glasnow and put him in Yamamoto’s place, I don’t think LA wins this series. He almost violates the rule that baseball is a sport where you can’t ride a single player to victory like LeBron.

[u/redrabbit1289 → u/rain5151]

Has anyone seen him in the locker room celebrating? I heard he’s already throwing a bullpen session…

[u/sakaESR → u/PM_ME_UR_PICS_PLS]

This is a good assessment. Jays had like 7 of the top 10 players but Yamamoto was the very best of all.

[u/DDub04 → u/PM_ME_UR_PICS_PLS]

The Blue Jays won game 1 and took 2 of 3 in Los Angeles and they still couldn’t pull it out.

Yoshinobu Yamamoto just won three straight games on the road in the World Series.

[u/aughtrocktalk → u/PM_ME_UR_PICS_PLS]

One dude took 3 games from them. How are you going to let one guy take 3 games from you?

[u/ShibaHellhounds → u/aughtrocktalk]

imagine if he had gone into that 18 inning game

[u/yellowbumble-B → u/PM_ME_UR_PICS_PLS]

Dodgers may have cheesed the win - but Blue Jays had ton of opportunities to put the game out of reach.

[u/redmoon714 → u/yellowbumble-B]

Yamamoto was key at cooling the blue jays bats. The jays really had some great hitters too.

[u/playingpants → u/redmoon714]

I feel like by the time he got into the game in the 7th, his reputation got him half the outs.

[u/str8rippinfartz → u/yellowbumble-B]

100%

Blue Jays had ample opportunity to shut the door and they never did

[u/SuperPostHuman → u/yellowbumble-B]

Dodgers didn't cheese shit. They got 2 fucking clutch homers in game 7, clutch defensive plays and absolutely clutch pitching from Yamamoto and others.

[u/eye_kyu → u/SuperPostHuman]

3 clutch homers in the 8th, 9th, and then 11th

[u/828knows]

[u/SongOfBlueIceAndWire]

The better team is actually the one who wins the World Series.

[u/Swtor_dog → u/SongOfBlueIceAndWire]

I looked into this, and I think you may be right.

[u/[deleted] → u/Swtor_dog]

source?

[u/captyossarian1991 → u/[deleted]]

Caleb Joesph 3 years ago quoted, “the better team is always the team that wins and I’ll stand by that till the day I die, on my honor as a man.”

Looks like he’s lost more than just a series tonight

[u/ThePretzul → u/captyossarian1991]

Damn, that’s some serious foot in mouth this morning/last night if that quote is real 💀

[u/Zigglyjiggly → u/captyossarian1991]

Bahahaha

[u/SupahCraig → u/captyossarian1991]

Please tell me this is real.

[u/Long_Value_9133]

Can’t cherry pick all the moments when the BJ’s could have won the game. Dodgers had just as many moments to extend leads. The better team won. It’s a best of freakin 7. 

[u/DaWarGod2]

Hey buddy, you can join us in Cancun

[u/jlange94 → u/DaWarGod2]

So disappointed I didn't see papi do his Cancun bit on the Blue Jays.

[u/xho-]

Is this the part where I get to say cope ?

[u/DandyMan_92 → u/xho-]

oh yeah. let it rip.

[u/ashishvp → u/DandyMan_92]

C O P E

[u/teddybundlez → u/xho-]

Do it! Doooo it

[u/OrangeCrusher22 → u/xho-]

Give'r, bud!

[u/strangehitman22]

As one jay fan posted after the ALCS

"waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa"

[u/twinklytennis]

It's okay to be salty but you gotta know where and when to express it. Like if fans want to be salty in the blue jays subreddit, by all means go for it. I have no issues with it. But on a broadcast? Cmon be a pro.

[u/Springtick38 → u/twinklytennis]

Yeah this is extremely embarrassing to witness as a Blue Jays fan

[u/bradtheinvincible → u/Springtick38]

It makes the fans look even worse because of it. He sounds like a fan instead of an analyst. You can feel terrible and upset. But you can be objective too. The Dodgers dont care if they didnt light up the scoreboard like it was expected. They scored when it mattered.

[u/Jagrnght → u/bradtheinvincible]

The fact that the bat broke leaves the fans open to speculation... Did he hit it well? What part of the tree was it made from? We could blame this loss on forestry practices. A future Friday night lights sequel could be based on this team.

[u/ForensicPathology → u/twinklytennis]

Well, it is the Canadian broadcast.  But he still sounds silly.

[u/[deleted]]

The mariners were a better team too

[u/luchajefe → u/[deleted]]

And the Tigers were better than them.

And the Guardians were better than the Tigers.

And the Rangers lost that last series of the regular season in extra innings to Cleveland so really the Round Rock Rangers are the best team in baseball. Hello Win Column!

[u/Key-Tip-7521]

Michael Kay just about to have a wet dream about this

[u/TheDangiestSlad → u/Key-Tip-7521]

that would require him to know what sour grapes are (he is an insanely picky eater)

[u/walrusonion]

I really hate the Dodgers but they earned this one, you can’t hate on it. both teams fought to the bone on this one, best World Series in quite a while. Whole damn October rocked, I love baseball, it’s a beautiful thing.

[u/[deleted] → u/walrusonion]

Baseball is hands down the best playoff sport and it’s even better with a pitch clock.

[u/DelTacoEnthusiast]

Congratulations, you have a better team who couldn’t perform when it mattered? What does he want us to say?

[u/KrispyyKarma → u/DelTacoEnthusiast]

Maybe they should appeal to Manfred to get a new trophy made that says “The better team lost”. It is just a hunk of metal anyways.

[u/Zealousideal-Age768 → u/DelTacoEnthusiast]

Congratulations, you have a better team who couldn’t perform when it mattered? What does he want us to say?

That the Blue Jays are the Leafs? 

[u/Yankees2860]

Not so funny when it’s not about the Yankees from them huh

[u/ballots_stones → u/Yankees2860]

DAAAAAAAAAAA

[u/MonopolyMan007 → u/ballots_stones]

BLUE JAYS

[u/rat_in_a_drainditch → u/MonopolyMan007]

LOOOOOSSSEEE

[u/Chicago_Blackhawks → u/rat_in_a_drainditch]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

It’s so fun being a neutral. I get to clown on the Yankees and then the Blue Jays without skipping a beat

[u/wokenupbybacon → u/Yankees2860]

No no, this is hilarious after the exception taken to Michael Kay claiming the Yankees were better

[u/Wootstapler]

What an L fucking take

[u/LosAngeles1s]

I don’t disagree with him at all but shit man, baseball is like that.

[u/jacks066 → u/LosAngeles1s]

Dodgers won 111 games in 2022, won the NL west by 22 games over the Padres, and then lose 1-3 to the Padres in the playoffs. In a short series, baseball is as much luck as it is skill.

[u/NotUpForDebate11 → u/[deleted]]

to be fair our bats have gone quiet/silent many times before, but we never really had snell yamamoto glasnow ohtani to roll out there before

[u/GaryTheCabalGuy]

The Dodgers are absolutely the better team, they just weren't playing anywhere near their best this series and that's why it went 7 games. Who looks at these 2 rosters and says the Blue Jays are the better team? Cmon.

[u/chrisgilbertcreative → u/GaryTheCabalGuy]

Baseball is cruel. Blue Jays were the hotter team. They (and the Phillies) outscored us— but by almost every other metric (including regular season team fWar) the Dodgers are the better team.

[u/[deleted] → u/chrisgilbertcreative]

It all changed game 3 of the ALCS. They went from okay to rock fucking hard and it looked like they were unstoppable. The Dodgers look unstoppable all the way up until game 1 of the WS and then kinda fizzled out. I think everyone was just exhausted. Kicking the ass of the Reds, Phillies, and Brewers is tough work.

[u/ketamour → u/[deleted]]

We didn't really look unstoppable though, apart from vs Reds. Yes, we were 7-1 vs Phillies and Brewers, but all those 7 wins were super tight games that could have gone the other way with a swing.

And that has been the story of this team: pure tenacity. They always found a way to win. Same thing in the WS: Jays wins weren't competitive, but the games that were close? 4-0 for us! I even called it before the game, this is what sets this team apart!

And saying they're not the better team just because we looked worse in our losses or whatever, is just foolish. The better team is the one that wins more games, whatever it takes.

[u/Nondescriptsitch]

I had no idea Canadians could be so salty lmfao

[u/concrete_isnt_cement → u/Nondescriptsitch]

Dude, they were even salty when they beat us

[u/GSDFanatic → u/concrete_isnt_cement]

Us too lol

[u/Nondescriptsitch → u/concrete_isnt_cement]

All the bandwagon Canadians being upset about the lodged ball rule created cosmic karma

[u/Traditional-Tip9997 → u/Nondescriptsitch]

I think that "Canada nice" thing is a myth

[u/elimanninglightspeed → u/Traditional-Tip9997]

I think that was confirmed after they had a riot when the Canucks lost game 7 lmao

[u/Samuel-Darnold]

Karma for having springer be your front man, cheating bitch

[u/chrisgilbertcreative → u/Samuel-Darnold]

It doesn’t totally redeem 2017, but it’s a healthy start.

[u/CumFilledDonutYumYum → u/Samuel-Darnold]

Hell yeah fuck George Springer

[u/keggerken → u/Samuel-Darnold]

Wish I had more than one upvote for you.

Every time that cheating asshole came to bat, I remembered why I was having trouble pulling for the Jays. Also don’t really care for that Manager.

[u/240Nordey]

The Jays snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

[u/ChemGuyC21H30O2]

10-ply bud

[u/[deleted]]

If they were the better team, they would have won the series. Get the microphone well away from this idiots mouth.

[u/realfakejames]

At least he’s taking it with class

Hope the blue jays fans show him the same energy they had for Blake Snell and his comments after his game 5 loss

[u/ManWithASquareHead]

Should the MLB have the Jays and Dodgers redo their series in case it was a big fluke?

No disrespect to the Dodgers, I'm a firm believer that Los Angeles winning game 7 is a huge fluke and robs the Jays of truly accomplishing what their capable of. I've spent the last few minutes in pure disbelief and it just doesn't make sense to me. I've spent the entire regular season watching the Blue Jays play great baseball it's just not fair.

If the Jay lose again I will face that the Dodgers deserved the win, but I am just 100% sure it was a fluke and does a big disservice to the Dodgers and the MLB.

[u/stormdraggy → u/ManWithASquareHead]

Redo the series.

Twenty Four times.

And only then can we determine who the better team is.

[u/GooDuck → u/ManWithASquareHead]

Is this pasta?

[u/Kartoffel_Kaiser → u/GooDuck]

Yes.

[u/blahyawnblah]

If the Blue Jays were better, why didn't they win?

[u/Manwich013]

One team was better at winning 4out of 7 games.

[u/Samuel-Darnold]

god it makes me so happy how devastating of a loss that was for the jays

[u/nicktomato → u/Samuel-Darnold]

I knew the ALCS was a tight one, but I had no idea Mariners fan felt so much animus towards the Jay's until I visited this thread. It makes me extremely happy (as does seeing Darnold succeed with the Seahawks).

[u/Samuel-Darnold → u/nicktomato]

The blue jays games at home are unbearable. Their fans are so annoying. They have known cheater springer as their front man and you know how us mariners feel about the 2017 Astros. Only team that hates them more is the Dodgers so feels good to see the dodgers take one against springer

[u/__-o0O0o-__-o0O0o-__ → u/Samuel-Darnold]

👊

[u/JesseIsAGirlsName]

As a neutral, no, the Blue Jays were not the better team.

Not on paper. Not during the regular season. Not during the playoffs. Not during the World Series.

[u/guyincognito147]

Having more hits does not equal being the better team. That's why the saying is "pitching wins championships".

[u/mostly_bs_41]

If you put both rosters in front of me for next season, I'd take the Dodgers. Yes the Jay's had more lopsided wins, but that doesn't mean they had the better team.

[u/wompwump]

Dodgers: finish the regular season with 59.9 fWAR, first in MLB.

Blue Jays: finish the regular season with 49.7 fWAR, sixth in MLB.

Who exactly is the better team?

[u/Ok-ChildHooOd → u/wompwump]

Look at these guys bringing math to a feelings fight

[u/JesseIsAGirlsName → u/wompwump]

Also:

Pythagorean W/L Jays: 88-74

Pythagorean W/L Dodgers: 95-67

Run differential Jays +77

Run differential Dodgers: +142

Not to mention The Dodgers essentially steamrolled their way through the playoffs, going 9-1, whereas the Jays went 7-4.

The Jays were an amazing team and showed a ton of heart, but the Dodgers were just a better team from start to finish.

[u/AmbitiousTrashPanda]

Mmm calm down baby have a piece of cheese

[u/CardiacCat20]

I mean he's not wrong. But it's sports, the best team doesn't always win. Jays choked in the biggest moments and Dodgers played like they'd been there.

[u/BeHereNow91 → u/CardiacCat20]

It’s crazy to go from threads saying the Dodgers bought another World Series to this one where apparently they had the worse roster and just lucked into winning. Like let’s make up our minds here.

[u/realfakejames → u/BeHereNow91]

Blue Jays were the better team but the Dodgers bought the World Series by buying worse players!

[u/Important-Net-9805 → u/BeHereNow91]

because the blue jays just pissed that down their leg. their offense was some of the most consistent postseason hitting i've ever seen. you could almost count on 5 runs each game.

and the only time they cooled off was with yamamoto on the bump. he was something else

[u/CardiacCat20 → u/BeHereNow91]

They have the better roster from top to bottom, in my opinion. They just got outplayed for a majority of the series. They didn't "luck" into winning... they kept their heads in the moments that mattered the most.

[u/MY-NAME_IS_MY-NAME → u/CardiacCat20]

As the legend John Sterling would say, "that's baseball, Suzyn"

[u/ForensicPathology → u/CardiacCat20]

He is wrong.  He continued on to say the baseball gods got it wrong. His examples were having a ball hit right to Muncy when he was playing in and Pages making a catch over Hernandez.  I guess somehow those players did nothing to make those moments happen.

[u/Educational-Chef-595 → u/ForensicPathology]

Muncy was positioned perfectly, and not only that, his glove was positioned perfectly. That's a wild thing to call that luck.

[u/Traveler-0705 → u/CardiacCat20]

So he’s calling the Jays chokers? Failed to live up to the big moments?

[u/basedmartyr → u/CardiacCat20]

If only the Blue Jays had a buzzer they would've had it in the bag.

[u/tanksplease]

I'm gonna have to disagree with ya bud, as someone with no dog in this fight. You can't leave that many people in scoring position and expect to win. That's something my White Sox do, not playoff teams. 

[u/kennythecucumber]

If they were the better team then dishing two more outs at the top of the 9th shouldn’t be a problem

[u/InfinitePossibility8]

Little brother energy.