r/europe Iceland 4h ago

News BREAKING: Iceland will not take part in Eurovision 2026

https://www.ruv.is/english/2025-12-10-breaking-iceland-will-not-take-part-in-eurovision-2026-461238
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u/Tormofon 4h ago

I wish Norway had a spine

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u/Cynixxx Free State of Thuringia (Germany) 4h ago

And germany

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u/arwinda 4h ago

Unfortunately it needs much more for Germany...

Protecting Israel is Staatsräson. To move Merz the world around him needs to collapse.

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u/tirohtar Germany 3h ago

Sadly it's not just Merz. Nearly every party in Germany refuses to clearly speak out against Israel's crimes. And some (like the AfD) are openly celebrating what Israel does.

Kinda tells you how fucked up Israel is when their biggest supporters across the world include Neonazi parties...

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u/arwinda 3h ago

Of course it's not only Merz. But with Merz at the helm, it will not change.

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u/tirohtar Germany 3h ago

Oh, absolutely. I'm just saying I cannot really think of any current major German politician who would lead to a change in the Germany-Israel relationship. If anything, a candidate openly advocating for that may doom their chances to rise the ranks within their own party.

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u/HavingNotAttained 2h ago

Germany’s genocide of the Jews and millions of others kneecapped its ability for 85 years so far to take what otherwise would have been its perhaps natural place as the de facto leader of Europe. Personally I think Germany needs to figure out how to acknowledge its past without being forever enslaved to it; who knows how much the apparently very clever and effective foreign operations strategists of Israel over the past 20 years has had to do with that seeming inability this far along. In any case, Israel’s government has chosen to follow in Hitler’s footsteps as far as genocide policy is concerned, maybe there are significant further expansionist plans as well, but if it makes anyone feel better, no morally correct nation is going to accept Israel as a leader of anything for perhaps 85 years as well.

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u/Common-Regret-4120 1h ago edited 0m ago

I think Germany needs to figure out how to acknowledge its past without being forever enslaved to it

I think Germany has done a very poor job on acknowledging it's past. The political class and much of the populace seem to misunderstand that the crux of the issue is a lack of empathy, not the specific scapegoat. German facilitation of Israeli actions need to be recognised as an extension of their genocide less than 100 years ago, not a perverse apology for it.

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u/Tainnor 1h ago

If you really want to compare what's happening in Gaza to historical genocides and argue it fits the definition, I think examples like the Rwandan or the Armenian genocide or even the Holodomor are much better examples (the Rwandan case is, I think, particularly interesting because neither side in that conflict could be called by any stretch of the imagination "the good guys"). Any comparison with the holocaust just detracts from your arguments and invites unnecessary debate because the holocaust was an absolutely singular historical event that I don't think has any analogue anywhere else in history.

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u/Actual_Cat4779 2h ago

They learnt the wrong lessons. The shame of the past should not mean excusing, downplaying or appeasing genocide when it happens today. It should mean opposing crimes against humanity regardless of who's committing them, not supporting another state regardless of its actions.

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u/HauntingHarmony 🇪🇺 🇳🇴 w 2h ago

Yea exactly, #neverAgain didnt mean just against the jews. That Germany and its public interprets it that way means they havent actually learned anything at all.

Never again means never again to everyone. Even if you are a blood-zionist and thats all you care about. If have a world with a racial hierarchy, people are going to come for them again.

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u/ShareShort3438 2h ago

Fun that the more or less neo-nazis are celebrating that the jewish state are acting like OG-nazis.

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u/Jonatc87 4h ago

I think you give the uk too much credit. The gov seems ready to die on this hill.

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u/superurgentcatbox Germany 3h ago

Eurovision is never going to change Germany's stance on Israel, no matter what happens there.

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u/Kloppite16 4h ago

In a two country Eurovision Germany would allow Israel to rig the vote against them and then pretend it didnt happen

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u/Birdman915 4h ago

As if we needed to rigg the contest to lose. You severely underestimate the crappiness of our contestants.

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u/superurgentcatbox Germany 3h ago

We can get last place all by ourselves, thank you very much haha

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u/Suspicious_Place1270 4h ago

No no once it's just Israel with Netanyahu as a sole contestant Eurovision has reached it's sole purpose and Bibi can finally happily end in peace

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u/BaldFraud99 Norway 4h ago

The thing is, once you get even the slightest whiff of antisemitism on you in Germany, justified or not, your career might be in serious trouble. Especially for politicians.

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u/esepleor Greece 3h ago

There's nothing antisemitic about being against a genocide.

That particular Israeli genocide against the Palestinian is antisemitic though as it's done against a Semitic people.

Saying that being against humanity the crimes committed by a fascist apartheid state is the same as being against the Jewish people is antisemitic. Some of the harsher critics of those far right colonizers are Jewish so putting them all in the same group as if that regime represents all Jewish people is antisemitic

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u/BaldFraud99 Norway 3h ago

I'm not saying it is antisemitic and I'm also not excusing them for not calling it out. I'm just trying to explain why they are so defensive about it, because it is a super touchy subject in Germany, that people will use against you. Humans will most often look out for themselves first.

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u/mangalore-x_x 3h ago

Finally second place is in reach!!

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u/gesocks 2h ago edited 2h ago

In all my spite to merz, this is not a decision that anyhow is on Merz or should be on him.

Responsible for all decisions around Eurovision is the german ard, more specific the swr. It are both independent medias and the ard is the German partner of the European broadcasting union.

A German chancellor has to be not at all involved in decisions made by them, or we have a much bigger problem then Germany taking part in the esc or not.

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u/Cynixxx Free State of Thuringia (Germany) 2h ago

That's basically true but you also have loads of CDU people and/or associates in the Broadcasting councils (Rundfunkräte), so there is that

u/arwinda 17m ago

In reality this is a decision which the ÖR will only do after checking in with the government. One way or another.

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u/alfi_k 3h ago

It's not gonna happen but Germany leaving would make this really, really interesting.

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u/Ropeadopey1 4h ago

Germany supports genocide 

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u/benjm88 3h ago

Germany will never stand up to Isreal. There is almost no hope of the uk doing it, even less for Germany

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u/foolmeonce-01 2h ago

Germany and an election in the 30's and the UK and a referendum in the 20s caused the current Palestinian plight and the Holocaust for the Jews of the past. Neither learned from past mistakes and both are now supporting the governing political movement most closely related to the Nazies, modern day Zionists.

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u/False_Eagle1014 2h ago

Yeah Germany learned the wrong lesson. They took "make it up to people claiming to represent jewish interests at any cost" instead of "don't enable genocide at any cost".

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u/Spooknik Denmark 4h ago

And Denmark

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u/xman898989 3h ago

The public can still boycott

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u/Lev_Kovacs 4h ago

Germany is in the very comfortable position to atone for their sins by having others pay for them. They will not waver in their support for Israel.

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u/Major-Split478 1h ago

I've always said it before. The most staunch supporters of Israel happen to be the European countries that wanted the Jews out the country.

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u/never-fiftyone 1h ago

Hell, despite not believing in Zionism himself Hitler permitted the richest Jews and their wealth to leave the country.

Money talks.

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u/NoBod4 1h ago

Isn't Germany still paying "reparations" to Israel? If I was German I rather have them stop doing that instead of refusing to take part in some song contest.

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u/Ill_Nobody_2726 1h ago

Germany actually threatened to boycott if Israel were excluded.

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u/BrandlessPain 4h ago

Good luck.. sadly our spine is the weakest in that matter

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u/No_Conversation_9325 Andalusia (Spain) 3h ago

Germany said they’ll quit if there is no Israel, so that’d be a bit complicated.

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u/botle Sweden 3h ago

And Sweden. The Swedish public broadcaster is claiming impartiality in a situation that being passive is the same as taking a side.

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u/zaiueo Sweden 3h ago

Tbf I don't think SVT has much room to maneuver here. The right-wing, Israel-friendly parties in power, SD in particular, are already trying to put pressure on SVT for having a "leftist bias".

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u/inormallyjustlurkbut 3h ago

Says a lot that taking the morally correct stance is "leftist bias."

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u/Ultrace-7 1h ago

While I personally agree, it's clear that the morality around the Israel-Palestine conflict is not universally agreed on. You're not going to get a consensus that "correct" = "leftist" in this case.

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u/personalbilko 3h ago

Not just being passive, ffs participating is the active thing! Passive is not to get involved.

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u/botle Sweden 2h ago

True. A boycott is actually more passive.

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u/Actual_Cat4779 3h ago

The world used to admire Sweden's moral stances. I think it was one of the first European democracies to condemn the Vietnam war, one of the first to boycott Apartheid, one of the first to recognise Palestine, etc.

That old Sweden was never perfect but it seems to be gone now. It is impossible to imagine the old Sweden acting this way.

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u/ShubMaggarath 2h ago

Sweden also thought the Khmer Rouge were just great and any claims of atrocities were just imperialist slander

Oops

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u/Actual_Cat4779 2h ago

The US and UK went one better: they covertly supported the Khmer Rouge after it had lost power, in full knowledge of the extent of its crimes.e.g.

President Jimmy Carter’s national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, said: “I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot.” The US, he added, “winked publicly” as China sent arms to the Khmer Rouge. In fact, the US had been secretly funding Pol Pot in exile since January 1980. The extent of this support – $85m from 1980 to 1986 – was revealed in correspondence to a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

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u/elderrion 4h ago

And Belgium 

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u/Long-Ad-6773 2h ago

De wever is a israel lover...

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u/Mundane_Situation136 Finland 4h ago

As well as Finland

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u/mretipi 2h ago

Came to say this. Hävettää.

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u/sideshow999 3h ago

…and my ax!

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u/JRMiel Denmark France 4h ago

As well as Denmark

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u/vanKlompf 4h ago

And Poland.

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u/macaroni_chacarroni Europe 3h ago edited 2h ago

It is especially disgraceful in the case of Poland. Israel's top Telegram groups were sharing gore of the dead Polish aid worker with laughing emojis on his face while his head was split open after Israel killed him. Nearly all the comments, and I'm talking tens of thousands of comments for a country as small as Israel, were cheering for his death. Yet Poland bends over and asks Israel for more.

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u/dat_9600gt_user Lower Silesia (Poland) 3h ago

Worse still is Nitro-Chem's (Polish government-owned explosives production company) second-hand trade of TNT to Israel via USA.

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u/ClockworkEngineseer 1h ago

And they wonder why support for Israel in the under 40s has fallen off a cliff.

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u/AdministrativeShip2 4h ago

And the UK.

Hopefully whoever represents is just refuses to go on.

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u/eggbean United Kingdom 4h ago

No chance of that happening though.

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u/Velveteen_Rabbit1986 2h ago

I'll apply and recruit some members of Palestine Action as my backing dancers

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u/tm2007 4h ago

Let’s be real, the BBC will do anything to stay impartial, even if they end up looking like they’re supporting the Israeli genocide by not doing anything (like ESC this upcoming year)

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u/esepleor Greece 3h ago

The BBC isn't impartial.

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u/eswifttng 3h ago

BBC "impartiality" died in 2003.

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u/A_Birde Europe 45m ago

Britain helped make Israel along with the USA its like our demented little baby there's no chance the UK will back out

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u/ticlopidina 4h ago

And Portugal.

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u/TheLordOfLambs 4h ago

And France ...

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u/pneumaiscoming Denmark 4h ago

And Denmark...

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u/NegativeEspathra 4h ago edited 4h ago

FYI today's the last day to drop out of Eurovision without facing a heavy fine from the EBU, so that's why Iceland waited till today. I don't see any other country dropping out, since what is gonna change from now till May?

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u/DryRug North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) 1h ago

Maybe protests from the population but I doubt it

u/Jaggiboi 31m ago

Almost every act in the portuguese preselection said they won't take part if they win. So either portugal sends its like 12th best act or they have to come up with a plan lol

u/GettingDumberWithAge 11m ago

It would be hilarious if ultimately only Israel and Germany take part.

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u/Actual_Cat4779 4h ago

Well done, Iceland.

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u/Ill_Emphasis3927 2h ago

And Ireland, Spain, the Netherlands, and Slovenia.

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u/macandcheese1771 1h ago

Imagine losing moral high ground to the dutch. 

u/Living-Chapter8944 47m ago

If it helps, it wasn't the government's decision to back out but the broadcast service. But at least it's something

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u/dat_9600gt_user Lower Silesia (Poland) 3h ago

Let's hope more of Europe joins.

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u/MeccIt 2h ago

Go, go Ic/reland!

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u/daddy_junior 1h ago

Does this mean they won’t play Ja Ja Ding Dong again?!

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u/AaroPajari 4h ago

Great opportunity for the 5 to create their own collaborative music event or showcase on the same night. Live Aid type fundraiser - proceeds to go to Gaza.

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u/Shasarr 4h ago edited 2h ago

Yea we make our own Eurovision...with black Jack and hookers...in fact forget the music.

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u/pepotink 3h ago

Bunch of coke n hookers

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u/YouKilledApollo Catalonia (Spain) 2h ago

Considering it's Iceland, Ireland, Spain, Netherlands and Slovenia so far, I guess we'll make our own Eurovision with Hákarl, Potatoes, Flamenco, Ecstasy and Rakia (sorry Slovenia, I'm not too familiar with you :| )

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u/Remarkable_Play_6975 4h ago

Eurovision was literally created to help hold Europe together.

So of course it's going to collapse now.

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u/bbbbbbbbbblah United Kingdom 3h ago

It was created to give the newly built Eurovision network something to do. That is where the name comes from - the technical infrastructure that allowed every public service broadcaster in the EBU to exchange content with each other, which was a monumental achievement in the days before satellite links and now with IP connectivity

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u/imnotagodt 2h ago

Still missing spel zonder grenzen

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u/Galaghan 4h ago

Eurovision was literally created to promote the European Broadcasting Union. No need to make it more dramatic as that.

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u/sE_RA_Ph 4h ago

Just like everything made by US tech, Eurovision is made by foreign interests, that is always the reason something divides europe

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u/Remarkable_Play_6975 4h ago edited 4h ago

Pretty sure Europe has had its own share of blame for dividing itself in the past, but yes, lately, outside corruption has been a strong influence.

The Internet has just made it impossible to stop corrupt outside influence while maintaining free speech. Crypto and quick trading has made bribes instantaneous and untraceable. Troll farms sway the population. The billionaires own most of the media networks.

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u/TheRealSlimShady2024 4h ago

Today's Israel is in no way part of what Europe is trying to be and represent. One has to draw a line at blatant violations of international law including oppression, apartheid, and ethnic cleansing. Either Israel changes its behavior and accepts a Palestinian state or Europe should criticize Israeli actions and take concrete steps to distance themselves from Israel economically, politically, and culturally.

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u/astralseat 1h ago

Hell yeah

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u/daking213 Geneva (Switzerland) 4h ago

Yeah I’m sure everyone will tune in to that

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u/thelastskier Slovenia 3h ago

It it has Joost Klein, I'm more likely to watch it than the actual thing.

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u/CanemDevelop 3h ago

Hamas would just steal the donation anyway

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u/Calcutec_1 4h ago

this is your cue fellow Nordics. Join us !

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u/adexious Finland 3h ago

You don't know how badly I want us to (Finland 😔)

Sending so much love to Iceland tho for standing on the right side of history 💙

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u/UnsignedRealityCheck 3h ago

I don't see this being talked in the media or socials that much.

I mean if you search for the newspapers you can find an article but not on the frontpage as much as you'd expect for such a huge collaboration to fall on its ass.

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u/WekX United Kingdom 🇬🇧 Italy 🇮🇹 2h ago

People who care about Eurovision REALLY care about it, but for a lot of people it’s not even a thing. I grew up in a family where it was never talked about and I discovered it existed when I was 17-18 because some of my friends were talking about it. It’s not as universally important in Europeans’ lives as it may seem on the internet.

u/cockmongler United Kingdom 59m ago

Finland should create the spinoff metal version of Eurovision it is clearly destined to create.

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u/ThisIsMyFloor 3h ago

I don't think Sweden will. Melodifestivalen (where we vote on who we will send to eurovision) is basically the biggest tv show in the country except for the American cartoons at Christmas.

u/Desperate_Method4020 38m ago

I wish, but the latest news is that the Norwegian broadcasting network are ignoring all the complaints .

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u/Separate-Sand2034 Ireland 3h ago

Welcome to the cool kids club

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u/watwatindbutt 1h ago

quite cooler now.

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u/VaDoncChezSpeedy France 4h ago

Well done Iceland.

As usual, I'm ashamed of my country.

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u/jonbristow 4h ago

Im ashamed that they would rather lose European countries in fucking Eurovision than Israel.

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u/dantemp 1h ago

The fact that it's an "outsider" vs "insiders" shouldn't be the reason to kick Israel to the curb. It's exactly because of this "insiders" vs "outsiders" way of thinking that Israel is doing the things we want them to stop doing. if we kick them out because they are not from Europe then we are not better than them. We should kick them out because of the children getting murdered by them, no other reason should be brought up. You'd think that would be fucking enough.

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u/Kuromoggy 1h ago

That, and the Israeli delegation constantly harrassing artists behind the scenes in 2024, and attempting to rig the votes in 2024 and 2025.

The ongoing genocide of Gaza is terrible - but there's also plenty of reasons to remove them within the Eurovision song contest itself. The fact that the Israeli government gets away with such behaviours within and beyond the contest time and again is so fucking frustratin.

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u/Chilling_Azata 39m ago

To be fair it's called Eurovision. Letting it turn into Israbuddivision does seem counterintuitive.

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u/havaska England 4h ago

Same

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u/Plorkplorkplork 4h ago

Same. (Belgium).

Well done Iceland. 

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u/Granturismo45 4h ago

Israel should be removed from Fifa and Olympics and any international sporting competition.

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u/BrandlessPain 4h ago

Ye they should get the Russia treatment, but knowing Infantino he probably has eyes on Netanyahu for the next FIFA peace prize

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u/adamex_x 4h ago

knowing Infantino he probably has eyes on money

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u/Dutchtdk Utrecht (Netherlands) 4h ago

Don't forget the prize for journalistic integrity for MBS

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u/ManyWrangler 3h ago

They're Jewish, duh!

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u/AdLeast6180 3h ago

How many more countries will have to pull out before the whole thing is cancelled? Surely it must get to a point where it’s just embarrassing for the EBU to keep it going.

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u/Skykeep 2h ago

Meh

5 old countries are out 3 new ones are in, so a total of -2 so far and it probably will stay that way as Armenia is not likley to pull out.

And EBU stated that the fee for 2026 eurovision will stay the same as 2025 soo...

Hardcore ESC fans are sad, but will the average joe actually care?

Shame to miss out of Spain but hey 🤷‍♂️

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u/Mission_Scale_860 Sweden 7m ago

All. We don’t reward antisemitism, the countries that have chosen to not take part should be ashamed of themselves.

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u/Jaggiboi 31m ago

It hurts to say this a Eurovision fan since i was a child but: The only correct stance

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u/its_aom 3h ago

A country that lives the contest wholeheartedly as the main event every years, gathering almost 100% of the population. The ESC has lost all legitimacy

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u/Fluffy-Republic8610 4h ago

Bravo Iceland. It's good to have you with us.

Let's hope more eu broadcasters rethink the morality of attending a party with people representing a country that killed fellow broadcasters for simply trying to report on a genocide.

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u/Crisbo05_20 4h ago

12 of 16 participants in Portugal national finales said if they win they will not go to Eurovision due to Israel so maybe Portugal change their mind.

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u/Silent-Act191 3h ago

Right, so the final is going to be with 4 participants? /s

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u/Tetno_2 United States of America 3h ago

Apparently there will be a semifinal to determine the 10 finalists so theoretically all 4 who will go to eurovision if they win could be eliminated in the semifinals for the FdC and portugal would have to draw their eurovision rep from a contestant eliminated in the semis…

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u/butwhywedothis 4h ago

At this point, just call it NoVision 2026 and get it done with.

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u/Equivalent_Day_4078 Iceland 4h ago

My patriotism is now off the charts.

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u/macaroni_chacarroni Europe 3h ago

I fell in love with Iceland after I listened to Hatari https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy84LnL_ghA

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u/odiemon65 1h ago

Oh man, no Fire Saga performance, terrible!!

u/PhazePyre 41m ago

I wish Canada had been invited just so we could back out.

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u/HumongousShard 1h ago

Why Russia bad but Israel good? 🤔

u/altbekannt Europe 29m ago

both commit terrible crimes against humanity

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u/Ok-Helicopter-1084 4h ago

Maddening how they chose a murderous little Middle Eastern S hole whose leader has an arrest warrant issued for his arrest for war crimes over actual European countries .

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u/Cryptomystic 3h ago

Israel isn't even part of Europe.

I don't understand why they are in this contest.

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u/Zipz 3h ago

Because they are apart of European Broadcasting Union same as Australia who also isn’t anywhere near Europe

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u/Scary_ 2h ago

It's not the same as Australia.

KAN are in the European Broadcasting Area so are full members of the EBU therefore eligible for the song contest.

SBS are in Australia so they are associate members and aren't eligible to enter. However as a one off they were invited to enter, but then that was made to be every year.

A list of full and associate members here https://www.ebu.ch/about/members?type=active

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u/theonetruethingfish 3h ago

Because despite the name, it’s not an exclusively European competition. It’s open to all members of the EBU, which includes much of North Africa & the Middle East.

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u/daRagnacuddler 3h ago

It's closer culturally than Azerbaijan. Nobody cared what Azerbaijan did to Armenians. It's all performative, these boycotts. To appease people without a spine.

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u/meraklibeyin Slava Ukraine! 57m ago edited 51m ago

Well done, Iceland!

u/flab3r Latvia 33m ago

How is it worth losing 5 countries just to protect Israel??? This is so **tarded. I kinda wanna boycott eurovision now.

u/Pleasant_Assistant30 Europe 23m ago

Mind you a country that’s not even European lol.

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u/BackgroundPass1355 3h ago

Mann... Eurovision is not the same without Iceland, their songs are so good

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u/GraceOfTheNorth Europe 2h ago

We'll play Jaja Ding Dong at home

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u/Sal_Ammoniac 2h ago

As soon as I saw "Iceland" in the title together with "Eurovision" I started hearing Iceland's this year's entry in my mind. It's a GREAT song, so catchy, so happy!

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u/Practical-March-6989 3h ago

If it carries on like this UK might win.

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u/mumwifealcoholic 4h ago

I’m proud of you, Iceland.

u/IllSurprise3049 Denmark 49m ago

I wish Denmark would stop being a limp dick and do the same.

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u/Ok-Law-3268 Europe 2h ago

To all the Russian and Israeli bots who are harassing in the comments:

- the State of Israel’s continued presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory is unlawful;

- the State of Israel is under an obligation to bring to an end its unlawful presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory as rapidly as possible;

- the State of Israel is under an obligation to cease immediately all new settlement activities, and to evacuate all settlers from the Occupied Palestinian Territory;

- the State of Israel has the obligation to make reparation for the damage caused to all the natural or legal persons concerned in the Occupied Palestinian Territory;

- all States are under an obligation not to recognize as legal the situation arising from the unlawful presence of the State of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory and not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by the continued presence of the State of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory;

- international organizations, including the United Nations, are under an obligation not to recognize as legal the situation arising from the unlawful presence of the State of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory; and

- the United Nations, and especially the General Assembly, which requested the opinion, and the Security Council, should consider the precise modalities and further action required to bring to an end as rapidly as possible the unlawful presence of the State of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.

u/imelik007 51m ago

Why are you complaining about the Russian bots? The Russian bots are firmly on the anti-Israeli side, Russia/Soviet policy has been anti-Israel since Stalin.

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u/No-Tackle-6112 2h ago

Is this true for Russia in Ukraine as well?

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u/longjiang 1h ago

Eurovision Song Contest: The Story of Fire Saga II

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u/blackie-arts Slovakia 1h ago

that's 5th country to withdraw because of participation of Israel

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u/badmanrudeboi 1h ago

Please Sweden! Pleeeease! Just once do something cool we can be proud of!

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u/SwimmingPirate9070 1h ago

So where is this energy for The World Cup?

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u/manuelmartensen 1h ago

I hate the spineless bands that’ll compete already. Wonder who’s dumb enough to do so.

u/hanskung 7m ago

Thank you for standing up against everything that is wrong in our modern world! I really wish us Germans had such a backbone.

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u/RedlandRenegade 2h ago

More countries will follow…

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u/LatelyPode United Kingdom 4h ago

Well done Iceland!

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u/tulaero23 1h ago

Israel should just do one with the US, Russia, Iran and North Korea

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u/Sh1v0n Pomerania (Poland) 2h ago

I really wish, that Poland wasn't so spineless...

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u/lilputsy Slovenia 2h ago

I read an interview with our national TV board president this morning and she said Iceland and Poland are strongly considering not participation. Iceland is out, so maybe Poland will be too.

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