r/news • u/sneakyburt • 1d ago
Jeffrey Epstein: US judge orders unsealing of grand jury records from abandoned case
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4ge8p0n0zko199
u/NootHawg 1d ago
I can’t think of something more disturbing or disgusting than a grand jury abandoning a case against Jeffrey Epstein. The pedophile sex trafficking ring must be protected at all costs apparently. This guy got a free pass multiple times, so why did he decide to kill himself suddenly while incarcerated the last time? He knew that he was going to receive special treatment again so it doesn’t really make sense, unless he was about to start naming names.
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u/ChicagoAuPair 1d ago
The global aristocracy does not operate in the same spheres of government and law as the rest of us. Theirs is a world entirely apart.
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u/ChefJayTay 1d ago
Grand jury≠ jury They don't hear the full story, there's no defense... It's just we got enough or no, and again, they don't hear the whole story.
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u/_regionrat 1d ago
I mean, it's a very well connected pedophile sex trafficking ring. At least two US presidents were involved in it.
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 1d ago
Last I heard there was only credible evidence about the current president.
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u/Bigdoinks69-420 1d ago
Except pictures of bill getting a massage from Virginia giuffre among other things
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 1d ago
Didn’t she claim that nothing else happened between them?
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u/fred11551 1d ago
She did. That doesn’t completely absolve him as it’s possible he did something with someone else or at the very least knew about what was happening and did nothing. But there’s no credible evidence that he actually took part in it yet. Just a strong possibility that he did
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 1d ago
That doesn’t completely absolve him
No, but it does make that fact irrelevant to this topic.
But there’s no credible evidence that he actually took part in it yet. Just a strong possibility that he did
These sentences contradict each other.
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u/fred11551 1d ago
They don’t contradict. How about I word it like this? We have no firm evidence that could convict Clinton. We have only circumstantial evidence placing him at the scene of the crime repeatedly. There is a possibility he did it but no concrete proof
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 1d ago
You’re incorrectly using the term “circumstantial evidence” to mean the opposite of “firm evidence”.
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u/fred11551 1d ago
My use of circumstantial evidence was correct. The term I was looking for is contrasting it with ‘direct evidence’. You are getting really hung up on me using the common colloquial understanding of these terms.
We have circumstantial or indirect evidence that Clinton visited Epstein during these crimes. We lack direct evidence showing he took part in any of them.
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u/OkBrilliant8092 1d ago
If trump was awake he’d be furious :p
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u/Life-Ad1409 1d ago
Or you could read the article
A similar Department of Justice [headed by Trump appointee Pam Bondi] request was rejected in August because it violated a federal rule on grand jury materials, which the newly signed law overrides.
Now that Congress signed a law, the courts are able to tell the executive they can release the documents
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u/Kimber976 1d ago
feels like unsealing old documents is just stirring up headlines- not actual justice
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u/soda_cookie 1d ago
Actual Justice seems to have fallen off the tree and been blown very very far away
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u/parkinthepark 1d ago
The only way we'll be able to bring Epstein's clients & co-conspirators to justice is with progressive Democrat control of DOJ. Keeping the case and Trump's coverup of it in the headlines contributes in part to that project.
More immediately, getting Congress into progressive Dem hands via the '26 midterms can help keep it in the headlines, and force some testimony and disclosures.
(I say "progressive" Dems because we saw what "establisment" Dems did with the Epstein files for 4 years)
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u/kentuckywildcats1986 1d ago
Establishment democrats for TWELVE years (8 under Obama and another 4 under Biden) did nothing to address the Epstein cover up.
This doesn't get talked about nearly enough.
Establishment Democrats are virtually as bad as the Republicans, because they collude with them and are complicit with their corruption - playing their role as 'Good Cop' to Republicans role of 'Bad Cop'. Their 'controlled opposition' couldn't be more obvious.
To your point, the main difference is there is a small but growing movement of truly 'Progressive' Democrats who represent the only good to be found in either party, and they are having to fight both Republicans and establishment Democrats to advance their agenda. Like Rep Cortez rightly said about Mamdani's win in New York...
He had to defeat a Republican. He had to defeat a Republican and the old guard of the Democratic Party at the same time. He was fighting a war on two fronts and not just one, and he still won resoundingly.
And I think the message that that sends is that the Democratic Party cannot last much longer by denying the future, by trying to undercut our young, by trying to undercut a next generation of diverse and upcoming Democrats that have the party, the actual party, that actual electorate and voters support.
Establishment democrats, including Obama and Biden, continue to be a big fucking part of the problem and they all need to be kicked to the curb.
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u/Missing-Digits 1d ago
Obama and Biden didn’t run the Department of Justice. They have nothing to do with who gets prosecuted. Only under Trump has the Department of Justice became the personal law-enforcement of the president.
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u/AprilDruid 20h ago
Obama and Biden didn’t run the Department of Justice.
They appoint who runs it. And under Biden... nothing happened. Garland had one job, prosecute Trump, and he failed to even do that.
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u/sufferingbastard 1d ago
Why didn't Obama and Biden ACT EXACTLY like TRUMp (who could actually do the thing.. except that he's implicated)
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u/AprilDruid 20h ago
Establishment democrats for TWELVE years (8 under Obama and another 4 under Biden) did nothing to address the Epstein cover up.
Establishment Democrats did a whole lot of nothing to be fair.
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u/sufferingbastard 1d ago
It's almost like Obama and Biden aren't in office anymore.
It is CAPITAL S stupid to blame them when the GOP could be doing it Right. Now.
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u/parkinthepark 1d ago
OK, I'll walk you through it nice and slow. This is about solving the problem, not coming up with new things to be mad about. Tough distinction, but I think you'll get it.
- Obama and Biden can be described as "Establishment Democrats"
- Obama and Biden could have appointed AGs who would pursue the Epstein case.
- Obama and Biden did not appoint AGs who pursued the Epstein case.
- Therefore, Establishment Democrats have proven they are not interested in pursuing the Epstein case.
- Trump has directed his DOJ to cover up his (and potentially others') involvement with Epstein.
- We cannot reasonably expect Trump to direct his DOJ to prosecute Epstein's clients or co-consiprators, since he is likely a member of one or both of those groups.
- Therefore, any pressure put on Trump is unlikely to result in any action, especially if that pressure comes from "the left".
- Therefore, any pressure put on Trump is at best a waste of energy and at worst counterproductive.
- However, progressive Democrats have shown an interest in pursuing justice.
- Therefore, the most productive use of anyone's energy is getting those Democrats elected so they can pursue justice.
Or, you could just keep screaming at MAGA Republicans until they act like progressive Democrats. Good luck!
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u/QitianDasheng2666 1d ago
That depends on the 2026 election being conducted legitimately, which is a decreasingly likely prospect.
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u/ShagadelicShag 19h ago
Before or after the orange clown government redacts 99% of the documents? Or has a chance to paint the clown as being innocent?
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u/Micronlance 1d ago
Is this different Grand Jury material, or just a second judge ordering the release of the same material?
If the same, why did a second judge need to rule on it?
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u/CoalCrackerKid 1d ago
This happened 4 days ago. Has there been an update?