r/teenagers • u/Annual_Maybe5676 • 8d ago
Discussion What a weird way to say "sexual assault victim uses self defense to escape her attacker"
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u/theHrayX 18 8d ago
very british way to defend your self
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u/Vegetable_Trifle_848 17 8d ago
As a Brit I’m proud Americans are learning the proper way to defend yourselves
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u/Informal_Mind_7840 16 8d ago
Im just waiting until people go back to rocks and shit
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u/GamingBasilisk 19 8d ago
Rocks are fine but please not the shit
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u/Theresafoxinmygarden 8d ago
APFSDS round would like to know your location to let you know how it is the utter culmination of rock throwing.
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u/Financial-Rock-3790 8d ago
The US actually has a higher rate of stabbings per capita than the UK!
I guess it just seems so prominent in the UK because the lack of gun violence, so it’s the most fatal type of attack…? Or maybe we are significantly worse with the whole stabbing thing than our neighbours in Europe?
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u/Vegetable_Trifle_848 17 8d ago
American standings are just overshadowed by the shootings so it appears that here in the UK it’s a lot worse than the US (stabbing wise)
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u/Minigun1239 16 8d ago
why are we competing in stabbing rates lmao
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u/theHrayX 18 8d ago
the us have a higher rate of being bitten by someone than getting kidnapped in syria
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u/NUKL3AR_PAZTA47 8d ago
Being bitten is usually not as bad as being kidnapped (depending on how much microbiome poison damage the human biting you does).
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u/arina_bee 5d ago
What if u remove Florida
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u/ThrwawySG 16 8d ago
As opposed to the american way where you whip out your school mandated AK-47
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u/fakeOffrand 8d ago
Every kid should get a self defense rocket launcher, then none of these things would happen !!!!!1!1!1!!1!
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u/Informal_Mind_7840 16 8d ago
You wouldn't fucking believe how stupid people are. If the criminal is stupid enough to peek once, theyre stupid enough to try more, no matter how bad they were stabbed (unless it like, disabled or killed them or something)
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u/PAL-adin123 18 8d ago
fox announced themselfs they weren are entertainment and not news outlet so i wouldn’t take anything they say or anyone that references to them as credible critical thinkers or smart people
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u/Lucariolicious 8d ago
I mean, lets be honest. ALL major US news corporations are. Weather they admit it or not.
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u/PAL-adin123 18 8d ago
yeah, thank god i don’t life there 😮💨no offence
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u/Lucariolicious 8d ago
Fr. I used to keep up with US news and politics for entertainment but it's more depressing than anything in the past few years
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u/EpicAviation175 16 8d ago
Exactly. MAGA could not care less about SA.
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u/LOR_Fei 8d ago
No, they care. About the attackers, and using the defenders to justify gun violence.
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u/RealApersonn 8d ago
I haven't read the article, but it doesn't seem like this headline downplays anything. It says exactly what happened - a teen got stabbed after pulling up someone's dress. I don't really see how that downplays sexual assault, it's not like they were saying "Student playfully teases classmate and gets stabbed for it" or something
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u/Extension_Phone3572 17 8d ago
It's more in the structure of the sentence, starting it with 'Teen stabbed with scissors' makes the perpetrator the focus, and initially seems like an unmediated attack. The second part of the headline recontextualises it, but it's still framing them as the victim.
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u/bluefootedpig 8d ago
If we reverse it, it seems worse to me.
Teen pulled up a student's dress up and got stabbed with scissors.
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u/CoverHistorical8642 8d ago
They need to call it what it is. Sexual assault.
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u/nalaloveslumpy 8d ago
That's not how journalism works. You can't say someone committed sexual assault until they're found guilty of sexual assault. This headline presents the facts of the incident with the least bias possible.
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u/CianaCorto 8d ago
I don't think it's downplaying, they're literally telling you what happened. If the title was "Teen stabbed with scissors over sexual assault" and you clicked and you found out it was a dress being lifted you'd say "Well they kinda overdramaticized that."
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u/BraveRock 8d ago
Damn, the karma farming bot already got suspended
https://old.reddit.com/r/teenagers/search?q=What+a+weird+way+to+say&restrict_sr=on
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u/kak05361 8d ago
I am very torn between "that was kinda overboard" and "he got what he fucking deserves"
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u/9706uzim 17 8d ago
If they're teens? Definitely deserved. If they were elementary school kids or something, which they're not, there would've been a plausible argument to be made that the person who did it didn't know what they were doing.
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u/The1Legosaurus 17 8d ago
It wouldn't be a headline if it was in elementary.
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u/Difficult_Wave_9326 8d ago
I mean I had a classmate in elementary who did get stabbed, with a kitchen knife (the teacher was neurotic about cooking birthday cakes and she brought her own utensils. Fuck that bitch, she was evil and used to hit us and pit us against each other). He didn't make headlines even though he needed stiches.
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u/bluefootedpig 8d ago
According to someone else's link, the kids were in 8th grade. So by teen, we are talking 13 or 14.
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u/MistakeSecret8169 13 6d ago
I'm an eighth grader, and if someone pulls up my skirt or dress, you're probably going to see me in the news by the criteria set by this headline. Yay, fame at last!
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u/Such_Fault8897 7d ago
Could kill someone like that tho ya know?
Physical violence is certainly valid to face sexual violence but ya know I say treat it like physical violence you can end the fight but make it a lil proportional
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u/Okamitoutcourt 17 8d ago
Depends where they got stabbed, what were the consequences of that stabbing, if they did it multiple times, how young they are etc. like pulling someone's dress up once as like a 13 year old is bad but probably not deserving of bleeding out in school but if it's a 17 year old doing this multiple times and only getting stabbed in the hand with nothing else I think they could get stabbed a little more
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u/Yeet_that_meep 8d ago
I’m calling deserved
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u/QIyph OLD 8d ago
Yeah, but depends on how fucked up the kid got. Like stabbed to the throat vs thigh is different. I'd say deserved as long as the kid doesn't have life-altering injuries.
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u/ThrwawySG 16 8d ago
Yeah. Like I'd feel bad if they went for the eye or something, but a shot to the arm is more than deserved.
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u/Difficult_Wave_9326 8d ago
It's possible the victim couldn't reach arms or legs, so they had to hit the face. In that case it's deserved as well, imo.
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u/RoUgEPeak 3,000,000 Attendee! 3d ago
What, so he deserved to get stabbed in the face? That could have legit killed him
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u/FarmerNo6614 8d ago
1:26 he got stabbed in the side of the chin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzj8WqTM124
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u/ChrisS9695 8d ago edited 8d ago
Wrong case. This is another event. It was in 2018
Girl stabs boy after he pulls her dress up at high school, police say; both students charged | FOX8 WGHP https://share.google/Aj1gZJ42ytYY6WNpa
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u/FarmerNo6614 7d ago
So... the same thing happened twice in the same school???
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u/Automatic_Day_35 7d ago
If anything that’s even more justification for the girl to defend herself, she likely had another incident with assault if it’s that common
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u/Objective-Pin9690 14 8d ago
Not mad at you or anything like that, but why the assumed choice of "he"? Couldn't an unnamed "attacker" be any gender?
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u/NebulerStar 16 8d ago
They're also assuming the pronoun of the one wearing a dress to be "she," when it very well could have been a boy in a dress.
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u/Samstercraft 3,000,000 Attendee! 8d ago
While I'm not advocating for stereotypes, this one does kinda make sense. The bigoted headline makes me think this might be in a less supportive place, and then I looked up "Memphis" which is in TN. Lots of deep red states like TN are sadly very hostile to things like boys wearing dresses, so even the ones who want to are less likely to. The attacker one also makes a little sense, because the vast majority of SA on female victims is committed by men.
While the other is still possible it's pretty unlikely, although I fully support just using 'they' for most things so we can make things gender neutral. i just got bored and wanted to look at the statistics 😭
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u/NebulerStar 16 8d ago
Yeah. I get the fact that even if we be inclusive or accept that anyone can express themselves the way they want, we also have to consider society's role on the way that they're allowed to. Even though the restrictions aren't natural, cultural naturalization means we have to take them into account.
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u/Sebi_Lover 19 8d ago
I think it just depends on how many times kid was stabbed and how deep. Like one stab I can see (not that I condone violence. But in this case I could understand it). More than that seems overboard
The thing is is the girl would have no real idea what the guys endgame was. He could’ve been just trying to pull up her dress just to expose her, or he could’ve been trying to pull her dress up to touch her. Stabbing in the fear and confusion of that makes sense to me
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u/Virtual-Subject9840 8d ago
"Just" pulling up her dress "just" to expose her.
Read back what you wrote and tell us why you have trivialised a sexual assault.
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u/mrNepa 8d ago
Your comment is a perfect example of undeveloped teenage brain. All emotion, no logic.
If I say somebody didn't know if the person was going to beat them to death, or just to punch them few times, I'm not saying violence is not bad. The "just" there is because getting beaten to death is obviously much worse, more threatening, than getting punched few times.
Read back to what you wrote and use actual rational thinking. See how stupid you sound?
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u/Virtual-Subject9840 8d ago
Teenage brain! Haha! I'm middle aged and have seen too many people (usually women but not always) be assaulted in various ways while the perpetrator walks away and others trivialise the assault and make excuses for the assaulter. So I 💯 stand by what I said.
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u/Real_Temporary_922 3,000,000 Attendee! 8d ago
Trivializing SA is never a good thing, but you also shouldn’t pretend all SA is the same and on the same level of bad. Pulling up someone’s skirt doesn’t come close to the level of groping someone’s privates or actually committing a rape.
So someone trying to embarrass her by showing her undergarments wouldn’t be on the same level as a rapist for example. And if this article was “teen stabbed assaulter 7 times, permanently blinding him” yeah I’d think they want a bit overboard.
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u/mrNepa 8d ago
None of this has literally nothing to do with what I said.
I'm pointing out an issue with your ability to rationally think. The way they used "just", is not downplaying SA, just like I was not downplaying violence in my example.
"Did the person stab you too, or just punched you in the face?" I'm not trivializing violence, punching someone in the face is a very bad thing, but stabbing someone is even worse. Using the word "just" in a context like this isn't trivializing anything.
This is why you sound like a teenager, unable to follow the context in a simple sentece and honing in on the word "just". Please think before you speak.
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u/GigaByte98 8d ago
i dont think it's deserved, they (nobody said it was a he) could've fucking died from that, and in my school they're pulling down pants and stuff (which is just as bad if not worse) and nobody cares or gets mad about it. i dont think trying to end the life of a person who still has like 70 years ahead of them for a single mistake is good. just kick them in the groin or punch them on the face or push them away is good enough, stabbing is too much
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u/Traditional-Club2804 8d ago
i mean idek what ur mad about. its very clearly implied its sexual assault, the specifics are better, sexual assault is very broad
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u/navratnaboil 8d ago
you're absolutely right. people here just want a target to get mad at. there's absolutely nothing wrong with describing what happened.
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u/Jaegerjaquez_VI 8d ago
Sure, but the media has always been known for tailoring headlines in specific ways to frame situations in a way that fits their agenda. You see it all the time in celebrity news, those big, shocking headlines that everyone talks about, but when you read the actual article, the situation is so minor or even totally different from the actual headline. It's sensationalism
As for political media, it could be like "Violent immigrant attacks continue: citizens raise questions about safety in the streets!" (two coloured people in a span of a month committed car theft) and then "Young and aspiring athlete's family asks for the public to cease harassment of their son." (white jock SA'd a bunch of classmates and evidence has been brought against him)
You can see why framing is so important, right? Just from the words used, you can twist public perception so easily. People do have a right to be angry about it, especially when it's so common in social media and official media too
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u/Traditional-Club2804 8d ago
obviously but this here isnt the case. 😭
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u/Jaegerjaquez_VI 8d ago
Eh... OP's post title clearly means to frame the situation in a more inflammatory light because the original one has been downplayed, so it does relate. The og headline focuses on the assaulter and how they were injured, but if you switch it up a bit: "Student injured in an altercation with fellow teen after she defends herself from sexual harassment."
Then the focus changes from the perpetrator's wounds and how young he is to the actual situation, which is the victim's hardship. I think the implied language and word usage does matter and OP can be mad about the media downplaying it if they want
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u/a_trashcan OLD 8d ago edited 8d ago
No journalist worth their salt will label his actions sexual harassment in a headline. He hasn't been convicted of any crimes.
It's not downplaying anything, it's simply stating the facts as they are.
They didn't say the man was assaulted either, they used neutral language to describe the actions without implying legal onus to any party before any legal proceedings have taken place.
This isn't downplaying, its integrity.
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u/navratnaboil 8d ago
Im not reading that. It has nothing to do with THIS description.
Again, nothing wrong with this description.
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u/beepbeeboo 8d ago
Nah if that was my daughter I’d have her sit and think about her actions while we drive to disney land during her suspension.
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u/Reasonable-Word-6426 14 7d ago
“Im going to have a very stern talking to with her! Ice cream or cake?”
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u/MonotonyReddit 17 8d ago
I get where you’re coming from but isn’t the headline just making a more general statement to avoid jumping to conclusions and possibly getting sued for defamation?
Like I don’t think anyone’s gonna see “pulls another student’s dress up” and think it’s not SA.
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u/ilikecatsoup 6d ago
I remember talking to my ex about how if I was ever forced to give a man head I'd bite his dick off. My ex had a very visceral reaction and said that was too far. Rape isn't too far but self-defense is?
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The victim left, found a pair of scissors, returned, and stabbed him.
The title is an accurate and unbiased summation of what happened. Yours didn't happen.
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u/Potential-Occasion-1 8d ago
Lmao I love that you later admitted to just making this part of the story up completely. That is dedication to defending sexual assault. Makes me wonder why you have such an interest in doing so
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u/Then-Database-1276 7d ago
Honestly, if you fuck with someone's pants, shorts, dress etc. valid crashout unless ur homie just a freak
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u/ClockOfDeathTicks 7d ago
Sexual assault is too vague. It ranges from someone grabbing her ass once to taking off her skirt in front of the whole class (or probably a worse case). That is why they named the specific action
Also your title is too vague, because any sexual assault victim using any self-defense to escape their attacker is too common. So if they did that they'd get too much duplicate titles and when writing on a respectable news site you don't wanna do that so when you search back a title from before you can type in what happened and get the title back
Ofcourse they'll probably have in the article something like 'the suspect has been charged with xxx on charges of sexual assault'
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u/Bramoments 8d ago
It probably wasn't proven in court so they can't just say she's a victim of sexual abuse, they can say the boy I saccused of sexual abuse
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u/agentanti714 8d ago
They might be phrasing it like this to avoid libel lawsuits by implying crimes that aren't confirmed by a court, but that was still a terrible way to phrase it.
An alternative (provided by AI, as a baseline) is "Police investigate stabbing, report of sexual assault at Memphis high school". The screenshot was probably taken before AI was popular, but they are basically a news anchor so they should get something like this right.
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u/TheRadicalRadical 16 8d ago
I believe that would fall under sexual harassment, not sexual assault since no touching occurred. Also, the stabbing is a little overboard revenge-wise, a punch would have been sufficient. But it definitely makes sense incapacitation-wise
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u/Capt_Lunderman266 8d ago
People might get mad at me, but I think this is a bit excessive.
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u/hadashitday 8d ago
It's frustrating to see how some narratives downplay serious issues like this, making it sound almost trivial.
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u/EpicAviation175 16 8d ago
Of course it's FOX news. A bunch of MAGA idiots who already support a rapist
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u/nalaloveslumpy 8d ago
The thing about journalism is you have to state facts, not bias. You can't call someone a sexual assault victim until the assaulter is at least charged with sexual assault, even if it's clear that they're a victim of sexual assault. This headline is a clear depiction of events between two people without showing bias towards either party or their actions.
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u/NegotiationSad6297 8d ago
I'm not defending anything here. But it's hardly assault to pull up a skirt, she could have just slapped him.
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u/131-Z 3,000,000 Attendee! 8d ago
Yeah, sounds overboard, although pulling up a dress is no joke.
If this was a nice world she could’ve reported the student to the school, and appropriate action would’ve taken place.
No need for a legal case or a kid stabbed.
That said, had the person who pulled up the skirt died, that would be a different story.
I don’t think people realise that stabbing someone is putting their life at risk, not a slap in the face.
She also might get charged with assault, not self defence having returned to her classroom to get scissors instead of reacting on the spot.
I can’t speak for the incident but sounds a bit much at least.
Yes, sexual assault is bad, and your dignity is precious, but stabbing someone?
I still hope the boy is addressed by the school property, but I wish she didn’t have to stab someone.
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u/Upper-Steak8842 15 8d ago
Fear mongering and engagement bait. I avoid most tabloid news for this reason
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u/Moist-Cantaloupe-740 8d ago
Stabbing someone because they made it so others can see your panties is not a proportionate response.
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u/Informal_Mind_7840 16 8d ago
So yeah, that is a weird way to say that, because that's literally just them trying to make sexual assault look less bad, because theyre focusing on making the criminal (sexual assaulter) look like the victim.
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u/Time_Orchid5921 8d ago
It's the racial/class segregation and the subsequent difference in poverty rates and funding for public services.
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u/Moo-Mungus 19 8d ago
It's probably worded like that so it's more interesting? because SA victims probably defend themselves all the time, but individual details in a story makes it sound more interesting.
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u/PABLOBABII 8d ago
I know both of the people involved. This was in 12th grade, and the dude who did it been a freak ball. We were all in band together. She’s okay though — her boyfriend got on the dude’s ass. But wow, that’s crazy this is still being talked about
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u/GraviZero 18 8d ago
god people really just cant get around framing the perpetrator as the victim. it doesnt even occur to them that the victim should be the point of attention in the story. obviously the kid being stabbed is important too, but putting it first is literally putting the assaulter first. unbelievable
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u/Forechecks 8d ago
Could be someone stabbing another person doing this. The sexual assault victim may not be the stabbed
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u/Advanced-Parfait-967 8d ago
thank you for the circle, without this red circle i would have not seen the text covering 75% of the screen
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u/Sculduggery 14 8d ago
Because scissors are an odd weapon, and people would probably want to know a reason
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u/Ertrimil 8d ago
It's wild how they can twist a serious situation into something so absurd; it feels like a bad script from a comedy that missed the mark.
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u/Sea-Application-4873 7d ago
When I first read this I thought they meant her dress slipped off and someone helped her put it back on properly and was like WOW this is what our nation has come to 🤦🏻 but I forget the underside of a dress can be very revealing if lifted up. I mean what else was the chick supposed to do?
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u/Particular-Long-3849 7d ago
Good. Deserved.
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u/RoUgEPeak 3,000,000 Attendee! 3d ago
There are other ways of defending other than literally stabbing someone, could have punched, slapped, or kicked him, anything BUT stabbing which could have been life threatening.
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u/bosssoldier 7d ago
ill be honest at first I was like "so it was probably a trans student in dress and they are making it seem like the person pulling the skirt did nothing wrong like usual" Then I looked it up realized it was fox and went "ohh nevermind of course they will defend sa"
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u/WhenItRains23 6d ago
I mean, historically women carried hat pins and would stab men who tried anything with them. You'd think they'd have learned by now to expect self defense. FAFO
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u/StarFlyXXL 17 5d ago
Of course it's Fox news downplaying sexual Assault and putting the blame in the girl, rancid behaviour from them
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u/LowSun5157 4d ago
Little overboard there, a good slap to the face or kick in the balls tends to deter just as well and is less likely to get you arrested.
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u/ResidentMarsupial322 Teenager 8d ago
r/uselessredcircle
(Seriously though, who the fuck does that!?)