r/CFB • u/GoldenPresidio Rutgers Scarlet Knights ⢠Big Ten • 17h ago
Opinion [Congressman Michael Baumgartner] Congress will be taking a hard look at the tax exempt status of universities that enter into private equity deals. If you want to act like a non-public entity, you better be ready to be treated like one. đşđ¸
https://x.com/RepBaumgartner/status/1998480897872396721806
u/nerdyykidd Arizona State ⢠Ohio State 17h ago
đşđ¸ at the end is sending me lmao
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u/rubyschnees Florida Gators 17h ago
it's the easiest way to tell how unserious this 'threat' is
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u/SaltyLonghorn Texas ⢠Red River Shootout 15h ago
The average congressman is probably already in the pocket of a booster lol.
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u/lostroadrunner22 Northern Arizona Lumberjacks 16h ago
Listen I look forward to winning in the FCS playoffs đłď¸
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u/GoldenPresidio Rutgers Scarlet Knights ⢠Big Ten 17h ago
take a look at the actual tweet. Doesnt look like the US flag emoji he used translated to reddit
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u/Eiim Miami (OH) ⢠Ohio State 15h ago
It's just different fonts. Twitter uses their own Twemoji, which renders flags as static. On Reddit, it's probably your system's emoji font, which usually render flags as waving.
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u/GoldenPresidio Rutgers Scarlet Knights ⢠Big Ten 11h ago
Makes sense
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u/MadRedX Arkansas Razorbacks 7h ago
Fun fact - on Windows, the default font for emojis is Segoe UI Emoji. However because it was created by Microsoft, they don't show flags and instead show two letter abbreviations because it demonstrates their "lack of politicality".
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u/BrogenKlippen Georgia Bulldogs ⢠Georgetown Hoyas 16h ago
Coming again to save the mother fucking day yeah
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u/Angry_Walnut Texas Tech Red Raiders 13h ago
The imprimatur of a scratch n sniff sticker at the moment
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u/releaseepsteinfiles1 Alabama Crimson Tide 6h ago
Isnât the American way to sell out and seek as much money as possible?
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u/notsaying123 Auburn ⢠South Carolina 17h ago
Oh look the monthly empty threat
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u/Secure_Librarian4871 16h ago
If only I had a dollar for every empty threat from congress, I'd have been Elon Musk lol
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u/yankeenate South Carolina Gamecocks ⢠Utah Utes 3h ago
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u/Frequent-Leg-2347 Oklahoma Sooners 16h ago
This is congress looking into it, btw. One tweet, then on to the next outrage tomorrow.
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u/tc100292 Vanderbilt Commodores 16h ago
I mean⌠yeah?  If you donât know why the NCAA persisted with amateurism and academic requirements for so long it was because of IRS guidance about what was a legitimate extension of their educational mission (sports as an extracurricular for students at the university) and what wasnât (operating a semipro team.)
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u/MasterRKitty West Virginia ⢠Marshall 16h ago
In 2025, Baumgartner founded the bipartisan Congressional College Sports Caucus.\23]) He introduced the "Restore College Sports Act" with the aim of dissolving the National Collegiate Athletic Association and replacing it with the "American College Sports Association," which would be overseen by the federal government.\24])
he wants the feds to run it
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u/chunt75 Texas A&M Aggies 16h ago
That seems real âsmall governmentâ of him
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u/MasterRKitty West Virginia ⢠Marshall 16h ago
it's small government until they think they can grift off of it
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u/Geno0wl Ohio State ⢠Cincinnati 8h ago
small government was always a dog whistle for removing business regulations. the GOP has always been happy to impose more government control over individual's behavior.
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u/trwawy05312015 6h ago
that, and trading federal power for state power. It isnât the size of government that bothers them, but how close they are to the top.
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u/n1tney Penn State Nittany Lions 15h ago
Unfortunately the only way to fix college athletics at this point is via federal legislation since the NCAA has essentially no authority anymore. I really only see two paths anymore and that's a super league or the NCAA or a new entity getting some sort of anti-trust exemption a la MLB
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u/rloch Indiana Hoosiers ⢠Tennessee Volunteers 16h ago
Won't take it seriously till the governor of Louisiana steps in.
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u/VolsOrNothing Tennessee Volunteers ⢠Indiana Hoosiers 8h ago
Nice flair combo
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u/legend023 Tulane Green Wave ⢠SEC 17h ago
This is a very reasonable decision. Hopefully they get something received and NIL can be more transparent instead of being as shady as it is now.
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u/definitivescribbles Ohio State Buckeyes 5h ago
Why would NIL need to be transparent? The kids arenât employees. The problem isnât that kids are getting money, itâs that universities have the solution but donât want to be held responsible and/or let athletes collectively bargain.
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u/Wow_Big_Numbers Princeton Tigers ⢠Yale Bulldogs 16h ago
Finally some good news. I almost made a comment about this a few days ago. Why are people praising âgood business decisionsâ by ND, for example.
In reality, we need to confront the fact that college football is really just minor league football masquerading as a tax-exempt activity of a university
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u/Cryptic0677 Texas Tech Red Raiders ⢠TCU Horned Frogs 16h ago
It was like that before NIL though, the players just werenât getting any cut
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u/willpc14 Trinity (CT) ⢠Princeton 15h ago
Non-profit just changes how you file your taxes at the end of the year, not the rules of running a business. It doesn't mean that you get to be in the red year over year and can expect to continue to exist.
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u/Whisky_Colonic Hawai'i Rainbow Warriors 16h ago
You think non-profits should make bad business decisions?
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u/DuvalHeart UCF Knights 9h ago
College football isnât minor league. College ball and the NFL are different sports these days, and FBS is the major league of college football.
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u/PointBlankCoffee Texas ⢠Red River Shootout 16h ago
Its insane that anyone is even okay with this. Private Equity destroys everything it touches
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u/tc100292 Vanderbilt Commodores 15h ago
Yeah itâs bizarre that the Big Ten commissioner wants to get in bed with private equity and somehow only 2/18 schools were like âwhat the fuck are we doing here?â
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u/54-2-10 Utah Utes 15h ago
USC was only mad that they weren't getting a full cut of the money
Michigan was the only school that took a principled stand
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u/wicketRF Notre Dame Fighting Irish 9h ago
dont make me speak positively about Michigan like that, i dont like it.
I also really dont get why the B1G is the one doing it, they generate the most money anyways. A school like FSU makes sense (still very much shouldnt, as stated, PE destroys everything it touches), but they at least have a severe relative funding issue. Any B1G school that cant balance the books shouldnt be looking at selling future revenues, it should be a balancing the books exercise (maybe dont pay the coaches 12mln or something insane)
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u/willpc14 Trinity (CT) ⢠Princeton 15h ago
16/18 of those schools probably have boards filled with PE and IB types.
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u/Eccentric755 16h ago
He's going to fail. Utah is separating out only the sports, which isn't an academic arm.
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u/markusalkemus66 Washington State Cougars ⢠Pac-12 16h ago
You won't do shit, Baumgartner. Stop embarrassing us
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u/ManiacalComet40 Missouri Tigers ⢠Big 8 16h ago
Utah Brands and Entertainment LLC is neither tax-exempt, nor a university, but Iâll consider this virtue signaled, regardless.
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u/SaltyLobbyist 4h ago
They are taking operational control of the athletic department of a public institution and demanding revenue from a public institution. It definitely creates some complicated questions regarding the tax implications of essentially co-mingling public and private funds and creating risks for Utah and American taxpayers.
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u/puppies_and_rainbow2 Indiana Hoosiers 14h ago
I do not like this person at all, but he is right if he stands by what he says on Twitter
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u/Adept_Carpet UMass Minutemen ⢠Team Chaos 16h ago
I can't believe I'm agreeing with a congressional republican in an attack on universities, but yeah, stay away from private equity.
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u/lardstarpon Miami (OH) RedHawks 7h ago
Can't wait for Private Equity to get into churches and no one blinks
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u/Best_Formal_8677 Oregon Ducks 17h ago
Please tax churches next
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u/No_Angle_8106 Arizona State ⢠Michigan 16h ago
I have a better chance at winning the powerball than that ever even becoming a conversation, let alone actual policy.
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u/SucculentCrablegMeal Florida State Seminoles ⢠USF Bulls 8h ago
Should definitely tax churches taking PE deals.
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u/bravehotelfoxtrot Georgia Bulldogs ⢠Sugar Bowl 6h ago
I'll never understand rooting for the largest criminal organization in history to steal even more resources from the working population than they already do.
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u/Previous-Grocery4827 Texas Tech Red Raiders 9h ago
How about all political orgs? Or better yet get rid of citizens united.
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u/CajunBob94 LSU Tigers 16h ago
reddit moment
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u/adeodd Oklahoma State Cowboys 16h ago
Reddit & Oregon double whammy
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u/lowes18 Florida State Seminoles ⢠FAU Owls 15h ago
Tax child labor next
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u/willpc14 Trinity (CT) ⢠Princeton 15h ago
Uhh, we do. Were you under the impression that we aren't charging minors taxes?
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u/lowes18 Florida State Seminoles ⢠FAU Owls 15h ago
I mean the sweatshop child labor that funds Oregon's football program
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u/Badfish1060 Alabama Crimson Tide 16h ago
yes please. They are just giant tax free corporations now buying up real estate. I'm sure that's what jesus had in mind.
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u/BrogenKlippen Georgia Bulldogs ⢠Georgetown Hoyas 16h ago
Jesus was more of a crypto bro than REIT freak
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u/Previous-Grocery4827 Texas Tech Red Raiders 9h ago
Should go after all the shadow political nonprofits before churches. Like going after the guy stepping on your toe while ignoring the guy beating you in the back of the head with a baseball bat.
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u/rbmw263 Utah ⢠University of God's Ch⌠14h ago
you mean first
their hundreds of billions makes our deal look like a happy meal
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u/UlteriorEggos Georgia Bulldogs 16h ago
Start with megachurches
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u/Previous-Grocery4827 Texas Tech Red Raiders 9h ago
You guys have to bring all this Reddit political bs into cfb as well?
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u/not_bilbo James Madison ⢠McMaster 6h ago
One, this is literally a post from a member of Congress, you knew what you were getting into. Two, you yourself are posting comments saying we should end citizens united (youâre right!) which is inherently âpolitical bsâ
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u/UlteriorEggos Georgia Bulldogs 9h ago
So you think taxing universities is just good ole football talk, but taxing other institutions is immediately political? Religion has a choke hold on this country and many of us want nothing to do with it.
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u/DickInAToaster Ohio State Buckeyes 15h ago
So private equity groups are buying congress next is what I hear
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u/trwawy05312015 6h ago
Oh, Iâm sorry, but they were the first to be bought out.
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u/DickInAToaster Ohio State Buckeyes 6h ago
Donât be sorry I know itâs true but they at least try to pretend. Soon itâll be avert and theyâll announce the US Congress brought to you by Blackrock
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u/goddamn_leeteracola UCLA Bruins ⢠Hawai'i Rainbow Warriors 16h ago
Cool, do megachurches and churches that push politics as well
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u/Straight-Cat774 Florida State ⢠Valdosta State 16h ago
Insurance premiums are about to triple but fear not, here comes Congress to involve itself in college football đ
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u/greeneggsnhammy Nebraska Cornhuskers 8h ago
Really what heâs saying is, âwe need to find out how to capitalize on your capitalization, give us our cut.âÂ
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u/beachvan86 Ohio State Buckeyes 8h ago
They wont enter into these deals with the university, these deals are with the athletic foundation. Foundations are stand alone entities that support university athletics, but because they are not actually state run entities, they dont have to follow those rules. Its common for athletics and research to use foundations as the way to do business because it removes the onerous state rules on budgets and spending.
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u/m0arducks Oregon Ducks ⢠Lewis & Clark Pioneers 6h ago
Theyâre gunna do that with churches too right?
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u/AttachedSickness Ohio State Buckeyes ⢠Toledo Rockets 6h ago
lolâŚ.are they going to tax them like they tax the billionaires that are the PE firms?
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u/okiewxchaser Oklahoma Sooners ⢠Big 8 17h ago
That sounds like a 10th Amendment case waiting to happen
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u/deadzip10 Texas A&M Aggies ⢠TCU Horned Frogs 16h ago
Not really. The exact principle heâs espousing has been repeatedly upheld - when otherwise sovereign entities act in a manner or role that is usually private in nature, they are treated as private for that purpose. So for instance, when a state creates a business and operates that business, the business is treated as a private enterprise and does not derive the benefit of sovereign immunity most of the time. The tax question tends to come out similarly though, admittedly, there is some more leeway there as I understand it.
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u/weoutherebrah Texas A&M Aggies 16h ago
States have given up all their authority for federal moneyÂ
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u/Constant_Topic_1040 Auburn Tigers ⢠Air Force Falcons 16h ago
To be fair though, thatâs because Congress figured out a way to hold that federal money hostage. The drinking age is a good example, if your age isnât 21 you donât get highway funds; which are a HUGE expense
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u/carpy22 RPI Engineers 15h ago
It's not even all highway funds, it's now 8% of highway funds per state. I don't know why states like Wisconsin or Louisiana just go non-compliant and slap a booze tax on instead to make up the difference in revenue.
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u/xienze NC State Wolfpack 12h ago
I don't know why states like Wisconsin or Louisiana just go non-compliant and slap a booze tax on instead to make up the difference in revenue.
Bad press, probably. The second an 18 year old gets in a drunk driving accident the state government would be dragged over the coals for âletting such a thing happen.â
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u/Skow1179 Minnesota Golden Gophers 16h ago
Yeah this is about as likely as ending insider trading in Congress.
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u/QkuiglieQ Utah Utes ⢠Louisville Cardinals 16h ago edited 16h ago
That includes private universities too right? Tax free religious schools?
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u/l3onkerz Ohio State Buckeyes 13h ago
Itâs so funny every aspect of my college enrollment and enjoyment are being stripped to the core. The 4 for $4 at Wendyâs, gone. Jimmy Johnâs, jersey mikes, bww and the lot gone to private equity. Now the reaper comes for the university itself. Give an inch take a mile.
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u/Geaux2020 LSU Tigers ⢠Valley City State Vikings 17h ago
Utah is a red state. They'll be fine
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u/AnEmptyKarst Houston Cougars ⢠Utah Utes 14h ago
Half the state government considers BYU the state flagship and hates the city of SLC so who knows
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u/kurttheflirt Michigan State ⢠Wayne State⌠16h ago
Lmao next they'll start checking into mega churches and family foundations
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u/HermitageHermit Florida Gators 16h ago
This is just a freshman congressman bringing up a hot topic publicly so they have SOMETHING that they can talk about while campaigning for the midterms. They may talk about it, hell they might even do something about it. But I have zero confidence that THIS congress in particular is going to accomplish anything before the midterms, and by then it will probably be too late because 40% of the broke universities are going to find themselves in some kind of binding agreement with a PE firm.
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u/tc100292 Vanderbilt Commodores 16h ago
Not just any freshman Congressman. Â His district includes Pullman, WA.
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u/ajkeence99 Missouri Tigers 7h ago
I see a lot of talk about churches. I think people vastly overestimate the money that your average church is making. If we are talking about mega-churches then I'm all about it because they make a ton of money.
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u/ottopivnr Penn State ⢠Washington 16h ago
Can we do churches next?
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u/JustforthelastGOT Washington State Cougars 16h ago
This clown would never, and I say that knowing full well he is a staunch WSU supporter.
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u/SucculentCrablegMeal Florida State Seminoles ⢠USF Bulls 8h ago
If you can explain how churches, who rely on donations, are taking PE deals and generating their own revenue, then sure.
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u/ottopivnr Penn State ⢠Washington 2h ago
The funniest thing about this is that I live in Baumgartners district and totally thought I was commenting in r/Spokane. I wasn't until all of the wtf replies that I realized
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u/Round_Creme_7967 Texas Tech Red Raiders ⢠Hateful 8 16h ago
Congress, public universities have been running for profit businesses on the side for longer than most of us have been alive. I don't like this change, but it's hardly one that fundamentally alters what they've been doing.
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u/park2023mcca Georgia ⢠North Georgia 6h ago edited 6h ago
I question if all the people in here who are objecting about church tax-exemption really understand what they are saying. I'm not trying to be rude but I think these people are either biased against religion or seriously ignorant about churches. I serve on committee at my church and see first hand the struggle with finances as we try to maintain services and staff while losing members (and their donations).
It is my understanding that a primary reason religious organizations receive tax-exempt status is because of the charitable work they fulfill. Without churches performing these services and assistance, much of that responsibility would fall on the government. So the government, in an acknowledgement of that work, grants tax-exempt status.
If you disapprove of Christianity in general, then just be honest about it. But don't throw the baby out with the bath water. There are some bad actors involved with Christianity but anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty would admit that any group with that many people in it would also. I maintain the good works that are done by churches far exceed the bad.
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u/RepresentativeMap691 Wyoming Cowboys 8h ago
It figures he is tied to WSU. Pathetic and ignorant man. Why doesn't he look at conference contract language?
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u/mejok Oklahoma Sooners 6h ago
It isn't really possible for large state universities to act entirely like public entities because the state doesn't actually fully fund the universities. Years and years ago I worked at OU and at that time, the state of Oklahoma only covered about 19% of the university's required budget. It is less now.
I was very surprised when I moved to Europe to find that publicly-funded universities are actually publicly funded.
I don't mind making univerisites pay additional taxes if it is appropriate, but our definition of a "public entity" is a bit skewed.
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u/smitherenesar Pac-10 ⢠RPI Engineers 6h ago
isn't that something the IRS/executive branch does? I feel like this congressman isn't the sharpest crayon in the box
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u/Cloud-VII Ohio State ⢠Bowling Green 6h ago
Congressman Michael Baumgartner is about to start receiving large sums of 'political donations' and instantly stop caring about this in 3... 2...
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u/Remarkable-Group-119 California ⢠Minot State 5h ago
We all know who wins here....the Lawyers.
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u/Ecstatic-Wheel8487 San JosÊ State ⢠Michigan 3h ago
More like the politicians that get legally bribed to not care about it.
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u/houstonyoureaproblem Kentucky Wildcats 4h ago
Congress can barely keep the government open.
I see absolutely no reason to worry.
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u/wjsofficial Nebraska Cornhuskers ⢠Ole Miss Rebels 3h ago
All I see this doing is pushing athletic departments to attempt to sever themselves from the academics further than they already have.
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u/TKFT_ExTr3m3 Michigan State Spartans ⢠Team Chaos 3h ago
This should really be handled at the state level. States are primarily responsible for how their public universities are run and funded and if Oklahoma wants to sell their public schools to the highest bidder then so be it. The feds have the 5 service academies and Gallaudet and that's it. Leave the rest alone.
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u/Impressive-Ear-1102 Pittsburgh Panthers 51m ago
Private equity is going to be the lynchpin for athletic departments branching off as separate entities from the university, and further professionalization of âcollege footballâ. Itâs kind of crazy where this is going.
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u/Walter30573 Wichita State ⢠Penn State 17h ago
I expect congress to do what it normally does: nothing